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2008-2009 Game 4: Denver Nuggets 101 - Golden State Warriors 111

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We are only four games into the season, and Denver has played three of those four games without one or the other of their leading scorers from last season, but it sure has been a frustrating start to the new campaign.  The Nuggets have lost very winnable games first in Utah and then tonight at Golden State and I do not want to deal with many more donations like this.    

After showing some progress defensively in the first three games of the season and in the first ten minutes of tonight’s game the Nuggets reverted to their old sloppy where-did-that-guy-come-from ways.  Do not get me wrong, there were still flashes of solid defense after the first ten minutes.  Melo played a few possessions on Stephen Jackson that showed some intensity and focus.  J.R. Smith continues to fight over the top of screens which requires extra effort than just sagging behind of them.  Smith also had a couple of nice possessions on Jackson too.  However, the Nuggets overall defensive performance was weak.

Their transition defense was particularly atrocious.  On several occasions they were beaten up the floor after makes and on at least one occasion I can remember they gave up a fast break layup off of a dead ball.  That requires some serious slow trotting on your way back to the defensive end.

Looking at the stats it would appear the Nuggets did fine on the boards.  Nene had 15 and they outrebounded the Warriors by two.  They also only gave up three more offensive boards than they nabbed themselves.  Those stats are deceiving though.  Golden State gathered a number of offensive rebounds in the second half and that played a key role in the outcome of the game.  Not only did the guards not help rebound, but the front court players, especially Kenyon Martin, are guilty of watching the ball sail through the air.  Meanwhile an opponent, who could easily be boxed out, slides past and gets position to get the board. 

First of all, they should know who is around them just from the point of view that they are supposed to be playing defense.  Secondly, take the quarter to turn your head and find the nearest opponent and get in his way.  Some players will fight to get past you, but a majority of NBA players will give up on getting into rebounding position simply by having you step in their way. 

I wrote after the Clipper game that the Nuggets had learned to rebound as a team.  Tonight, not so much.

The third area that really cost the Nuggets was turnovers.  Golden State is great at getting teams to play out of control and they have players with good instincts and good quick hands who can take the ball away, or at least get you to lose control of it. 

Oh well, I typically get upset at giving a game away no matter if it is game four or game 74, but it is difficult to me to get to upset.  Chauncey Billups will be in the lineup on Friday and hopefully he will help make up for some of these problems.

Other Observations from Game 4:

 - The Nuggets were playing a defense designed to keep the ball out of the lane and Anthony Carter was shading C.J. Watson to the side of the lane.  In a defense like that when the guard shows a lane he wants the opponent to take a teammate is supposed to step in and block the ball handler’s way.  Carter was doing his job, but he was getting no help until it was too late.  After getting burned more than once because of a lack of support from his big men Carter apparently informed the coaches that he was going to start just playing straight up.  That is kind of funny, but really not.

 - Anthony Carter continues to play very well.  He has been one of the Nuggets best three or four players so far this season. 

 - At the other end of the spectrum Linas Kleiza has been one of the worst players on the team.  He continues to shoot poorly and his defense is as bad as ever.  On the broadcast tonight it was reported that Kleiza has admitted he has been bothered by the fact that his contract extension disappeared into thin air.  He needs to relax and realize that he will get paid, as long as he does not go out there and swallow his tongue night after night.

 - The Nuggets are trying to be more aggressive on pick and rolls this year without Marcus Camby around to hang back inside the charge circle.  They are getting up near the screener, but they are not blocking the ball handler from getting around the screen.  Because of that they are giving up drives into the lane as it just takes an extra dribble or two to get by the big man.  I would like to see them actually hedge and force the dribbler to go parallel to the rim until their teammate who was screened off can get around and recover.

 - The Nuggets applied some full court pressure very early in the game and it was somewhat effective, but they never went back to it.  I am not sure why.

 - Carmelo saw what life is like without a second banana tonight.  After a nice start, he was doubled relentlessly and whenever he drove he found one or two defenders awaiting his arrival.  Golden State did a good job of forcing him into shots he was not entirely comfortable with as he was pressured off of his midrange shots, but they prevented him from getting all the way to the rim.  By the way, I meant to mention this in my preview, but I forgot so here it is.  This is the first season that either Carmelo or AI has not been the Nuggets leading scorer after the third game of the year or later since 2002-2003, the year before Melo arrived.

 - J.R. was bad tonight and Dahntay Jones was spectacular in the first quarter.  It is time for me to admit I was completely wrong about Jones.  He is the best player on the team at running the floor and is a great finisher.  He cannot shoot, but somehow is a great free throw shooter and I find that weird.

That is all the time I am going to spend on this game.  BeefySwats posted his own recap with some good observations and I recommend you check it out.  Chauncey should help eradicate some of the issues that plagued the Nuggets tonight, especially the mass of turnovers in the third quarter, but as I said, Anthony Carter has been playing very well and deserves credit for how much he has improved his game over the past couple of seasons.

Head on over to Golden State of Mind if you can handle the gloating of the victors enough to enjoy some great blogging.

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Nene

Although I didn’t watch any of the game, I have also been impressed with Nene. The only game he really struggled was against the Lakers, and that was more due to the fact he wasn’t being used. In half of the games so far he has put up huge numbers (22 and 11 against the Clippers, 19 and 15 against the Warriors). If he keeps this up, he could be a force in the NBA this year.

Forgive me for being optimistic.

by jmdeshazer on Nov 6, 2008 7:39 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks...

For the mention, Jeremy!

I read your blog pretty much every day and have decided that I’m going to start being a regular contributor with my thoughts and game notes as the season goes on.

What, in your opinion, is the number one need for the Nuggets? I’m very obviously most concerned with their boards. Chris Andersen has, in my opinion, played very poorly in these initial games. If he can’t improve, he should ride the pine while Juwan Howard (or Cheikh Samb) gets his minutes.

by BeefySwats on Nov 6, 2008 9:12 AM MST reply actions  

Also...

Here’s something that may have been lost in the shuffle:

The Nuggets bench was outscored by 34 points, 56-22. That is atrocious.

KMart had the highest +/- at +5, while Kleiza was at a solid -20. Ugh.

by BeefySwats on Nov 6, 2008 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Depth is a big problem

The lack of depth reveals itself in both problems you mentioned, rebounding and bench scoring.

I think Andersen has been decent, but he is inconsistent not from game to game, but possession to possession. One time down the floor he will be physical and clear a tough rebound in traffic. The next he will watch a shot go up and allow someone to sneak inside of him for an offensive rebound. At one point last night Andersen lost a rebound to Kelenna Azibuike. That cannot happen. The bad news is Andersen is the only potentially dominant rebounder on the bench. That changes if McDyess decides to stay, but if he is bought out and Juwan Howard returns, he is a solid rebounder, but not a difference maker on the glass.

The rumor is the Nuggets are still shopping Hunter and Atkins. I really wish they would hang on to Hunter and let him play. He would help shore up the rebounding.

As far as bench scoring goes (see the comment below), if Klieza does not get his act together the Nuggets bench will be outscored on most nights whether J.R. Smith starts or not.

The Nuggets are clearly going to have to put together a consistent team wide effort on the boards as they did against the Clippers and I believe they can do that. I do not see a solution to the issue of scoring off the bench, but with Billups, Melo, Nene and J.R. all able to play 30-35 minutes a game and put up 75 points a night as a group offense should not be a problem.

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by Jeremy on Nov 6, 2008 10:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh yea

And thanks for not only reading, but leaving the fanpost and commenting. This blog is not designed to be a place where people come to just read about what I think about the Nuggets, but it is designed to be a community where anyone who is interested in the Nuggets or even just basketball in general can come and share their thoughts.

I encourage everyone to sign up and join in the discussion.

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by Jeremy on Nov 6, 2008 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Of course!

This is a great blog, and I always appreciate the in-depth analysis of the Nuggets games. I’m definitely here for good (also clicking ad links and banners to support the site). I’ve watched the Nuggets much more regularly since they acquired Carmelo, and pretty much every game of the season starting about 3 years ago.

by BeefySwats on Nov 6, 2008 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

would've been a different game (W's fan)

with billups. was there a reason he didn’t show, or was he simply milking the 72 hours?

we’re still looking for a PG, but on a positive note, we may have found Al’s replacement. hopefully, all the talk of “we traded jrich for what?!?” will begin to fade on GSOM.

we’ll see you guys again.

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM MST reply actions  

Well

He hadn’t yet taken his physical. That’s why he couldn’t play (and why AI was held out of the Piston’s win over Toronto).

by BeefySwats on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM MST up reply actions  

right but AI had and was ready

i was wondering why billups wasn’t.

the stop calling him "beans" movement

by pervisNeverNervous on Nov 6, 2008 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Gsw

Tuff game last night boys, we dressed nine guys and couldnt afford an off game from any one of them..instead we had three of the them and were still in it. I was hoping we could steal one but that wasnt the case, the thing that scared me the most was that 18 point lead in the first quarter….if you remember thats what happened last april, they got up by 17 and we came back and won the game.

Cant wait for friday…that building is gonna be rockn’.

Koz

by Koz on Nov 6, 2008 1:04 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks for pointing that out Koz

I mentioned they were short handed in my preview, but made no mention of it here.

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by Jeremy on Nov 6, 2008 4:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I know you guys are making a big deal about Billups' absense

But we were without our best player Monta Ellis, and we were also missing Corey Maggette.

The good news was that our lack of quality players meant that Brandan Wright got to actually play. And he KILLED IT. Career highs in pretty much all categories, a double double, and he nearly scored 20.

As for you guys. Looks like this season is gonna be tricky. You have GREAT starters. However, as you all have acknowledged, the bench is weak!

Kleiza…
From experiencing this last season, I’ll tell you, as will Cap’n Jack, contract situations can loom over a player and a locker room. Kleiza is just letting it get to his head which is normal. Your F.O. is stuck. They either kick skrill to some fool who is playing hella bad and hope he changes, or you don’t and see whats up. It sucks cuz it sounds like you guys are countin on him. Which sucks more because he’s an Azubuike wanna be! Instead of signing Vets do what we did in aquiring Buike and CJ (who were a huge part of that bench play last night) and look to the D league.

PS If you’re looking for a big man, think of a good trade for Al Harrington. His contract is 9 mil…

by droppin gsw _knowledge south bay style on Nov 6, 2008 5:01 PM MST reply actions  

Haha

I know how badly Harrington has played. There’s no way you’re dumping him off on the Nuggets.

by BeefySwats on Nov 6, 2008 7:21 PM MST reply actions  

AC

AC one of our best 3 or 4 players so far this season? Try our flat-out MVP.

by joshhopp on Nov 6, 2008 9:41 PM MST reply actions  

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