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2008-09 Game 13: Denver Nuggets at Los Angeles Lakers Game Thread

Denver Nuggets at Los Angeles Lakers, Nov 21, 2008 8:30 PM MST


Game Notes

I am going to crank up my combination spin machine/hype machine and say that this tonight’s matchup between the Denver Nuggets and Los Angeles Lakers.  The spin is the Nuggets season really began with the addition of Chauncey Billups so for the purposes of tonight’s game we should consider them 7-1.  That leads us to the hype machine where we can bill the game as the battle of the 9-1 Lakers against the 7-1 Nuggets which in my mind makes this the marquee game of the first month of the NBA season.

I dare anyone here to tell me I am wrong and that you are not excessively excited over this game.

Nuggets fans know what is at stake here.  A win would put expectations at an entire new level for this team, and I think deservedly so.  A loss will be disappointing, but not devastating.  We still will know this team is probably the best Nugget team we have seen in two decades.

Heading into the game tonight I think the Nuggets have two things in their favor, the law of averages and the fact the Lakers played in Phoenix last night.  Unfortunately, even though I brought them up, I do not take much comfort in either of those things.  As far as the law of averages goes, yes the Nuggets will eventually beat the Lakers again, but not necessarily tonight.  As far as the back to back issue for the Lakers their win in Phoenix last night looked almost effortless.  No Laker had to play more than 34 minutes and only three (Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom) played more than 30.  I am not sure how fatigued they will be although Kurt at Forum Blue and Gold told me that they tend to get sloppy in the fourth quarter of their second game in back to backs.  That factor certainly took a toll on the Nuggets in the first meeting, but they were coming off an overtime battle the night before.

We have made a big deal about the Nuggets defensive improvement, but the Lakers have at this point in the season taken an even larger step forward in that area.  The Lakers are currently first in the league in defensive efficiency with a rating of 95.2.  What makes them so strong is they do a great job of taking away the things a team does best.  The Nuggets killed the Clippers on the pick and roll earlier in the season and they played the Lakers the next night.  The Nuggets pick and roll game was almost completely neutralized by the Lakers scheme of bringing help immediately before the ball handler came off the screen.

The Nuggets pick and roll has improved since then as Chauncey adds the jump shot to the equation.  The Lakers were not afraid of Allen Iverson pulling up from behind the screen, but Chauncey is great at doing just that.

The other primary strategy Los Angeles will employee is to double Carmelo, especially in the post and on the wing they will bring help as soon as he puts the ball on the floor.  I think the way the Lakers guard Melo the Nuggets will be better off if he scores 16-18 points and ends up with seven or eight assists than if he scores 25 points with four assists.  Of course, 25 points and eight assists would be nice too.  Melo has done a pretty good job of not forcing his offense even though I think he is setting for midrange jumpers a little too often.  If he continues to pass out of the double team the way he has been it will make the Nuggets much more difficult to guard.  Should he try to force his way into scoring opportunities the result will be an ugly 7-21 shooting night.

Defensively the Nuggets will have to rotate to shooters like Vladimir Radmanovic, Derek Fisher and Jordan Farmar.  Denver must also be ready to help close off the driving lanes for Kobe or Farmar and recover quickly once they do.  The guards will have to pinch down on Andrew Bynum and Gasol to prevent them from getting the easy layups off of penetration. 

Believe it or not, Kobe has only scored over 30 points once this season and it was against Denver.  Benjamin Hochman from the Denver Post had a line in his story today that it is “likely” Kenyon Martin will start out guarding Kobe.  If that is the case it would be very disappointing.  Hopefully the Nuggets are just using him to disseminate disinformation to the Lakers.  Denver did not use that strategy in the first game and now that Chauncey is on board and Dahntay Jones is in the starting lineup, for defensive purposes mind you, I would be surprised, and probably a little bit hurt, if Kenyon spends any time covering Kobe. 

I will leave you with two more things to watch out for.  First, the potential for foul trouble will once again be a huge factor.  In the first meeting this year Nene was able to get two quick fouls on Bynum.  However, if the tables are turned and Nene or Kenyon get into foul trouble the Nuggets might be in big trouble with the Lakers poised to dominate the paint on both ends with Bynum and Gasol.  Secondly, the Nuggets need to take care of the ball.  You cannot afford to throw away possessions against a good defensive team.  If their turnovers start getting into the high teens, or heaven forbid, the twenties it will be a bad sign.   

Even though my brain says Denver is fighting an uphill battle tonight, I cannot stop thinking about how exciting a win would be.  I am afraid we are in for one of those games where my daughter tells me I am scaring her (she does not like sudden loud noises although I really wish she would toughen up) and my wife keeps telling me to calm down.

Make sure you visit the aforementioned Forum Blue and Gold before the game.  Kurt is a great blogger and I was fortunate enough to have him ask me to explain to his readers how the Nuggets are different with Chauncey in town as opposed to AI.  You can check out my response and see his game preview here.

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I hate the f-ing lakers… GO NUGGIES!

by Jezru on Nov 21, 2008 1:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Something I could not fit into my preview:

Laker games have been more competitive over the previous couple of weeks. Since they rolled Houston on November 9th their contests have been much closer. Dallas almost had them beat before LA pulled away and won by seven. The next night in New Orleans they had a 30 point lead that melted down to I think only three late in the game before they won by seven. They lost to the Pistons. They beat a Bulls team who was walloped in Portland by, you guessed it, seven points. Then came their game last night where they took control early in the third quarter and won realatively easily by 13.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 1:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nerves

Didn’t sleep good last night. I’m hoping that cause I have exams on next week but I suspect a component of my insomnia was this match up. I was so excited and proud to see Chauncey on the race to the MVP list at NBA.com and now people are saying we are a serious consideration for the Northwest Division. I would so love to see my Nugs take it to Kobe and the Fakers right there at the Staples Center. I am sure they will put up a superb fight either way.

by joshhopp on Nov 21, 2008 3:10 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

This is

my first post, but I have been reading the blog for months. Best Nuggets analysis I’ve run across to date, thanks Jeremy.

Nuggets win if they play 42-48 minutes of good defense. If they lay an egg one quarter and give up 30 or so, they have no chance. Hopefully the team will be fired up and our bigs won’t get in foul trouble. Oh, and if we are up/it is close in the 4th quarter, I really hope Kobe doesn’t decide he really wants the win and, well, pulls a Kobe to beat us. Maybe he just enjoys crushing my dreams?

by Missing Lynx on Nov 21, 2008 6:28 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Defense

isn’t going to be the problem. Even last year, the team played good enough defense to win most nights. Their offense has lacked for the past 10 months, though. Currently, they’re in the bottom tier of the league in offensive officiency. If they’re to have any chance, they have to improve that.

by rosenthal on Nov 21, 2008 8:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

35 already in the quarter

Its a problem. But you are right about the offense, though I just think their offense gets much better when they get defensive stops. Also, Carmelo Anthony has the worst spacing on offense/defense on the team – he often clogs the lane or brings his man to the ball (causing a double team) on offense or is badly out of position on defense. Just watch.

by Missing Lynx on Nov 21, 2008 9:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

The problem is AC guarding Kobe for a milisecond. He’s not good at defending points…. You have him on Kobe? Jesus.

by rosenthal on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point

Though that foul they called on AC a while ago looked like a clean block he had on Kobe

by Missing Lynx on Nov 21, 2008 9:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

What's up guys...

I’m heading to the local watering hole to watch the game tonight…but wanted to swing by and drop a…

LET"S GO NUGGETS!!!

GO BRONCOS!!!

by UnarmingMermaid on Nov 21, 2008 8:18 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I like

The idea of using Kenyon to guard Kobe. He’s the team’s best defender not named Balkman and he could create a tough matchup for Kobe.

This is a tough matchup for Denver (two games against the Lakeshow early is a rough schedule), but it will be a good litmus test for the team.

by rosenthal on Nov 21, 2008 8:23 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Kenyon guarding Kobe is not the problem

The problem then becomes Melo or Dahntay Jones guarding Pau Gasol.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 8:42 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a good start

Chauncey cannot let Fisher beat him in the post.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 8:43 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Chauncey is the only Nugget hitting shots

That has to change.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 9:04 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Nice drive by Melo

I hope that is how he plans to play the rest of the game.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 9:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Denver started to get some momentum

And started turning the ball over.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 9:14 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

This is a complete meltdown

I could not be more disappointed right now.

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by Jeremy on Nov 21, 2008 9:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Denver

Clearly isn’t in the Lakers’ league right now.

by rosenthal on Nov 21, 2008 9:30 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

nets too slow for me to watch the game

so im stuck updating online scoreboards. not too encouraging

good luck guys

by joshhopp on Nov 21, 2008 10:05 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Bummer

Soon as we pull close, the Lakers pull back away.

That Gasol trade was total BS. Every time I see the Lakers, I cringe.

by rosenthal on Nov 21, 2008 10:12 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Not much else to say

The Lakers are the best team in the NBA and we just got rolled. Kobe, Pau, Bynum and Ariza are just too much for these Nuggets.

by BeefySwats on Nov 22, 2008 12:55 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

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