Will he be like Alex English or Adrian Dantley?...
There are a lot of factors that go into a sports team making the playoffs: talent, coaching, character, leadership, gamesmanship, injuries, bench depth and so on. That being said, basketball - because its played five on five both ways - is one of the rare sports where having one great player can virtually guarantee you a playoff spot, especially when 53% of the teams in the league get a postseason slot.For example, in his ten full seasons in Denver beginning with the 1980-81 campaign, Alex English's Nuggets teams missed the playoffs just once. Similarly, Clyde Drexler's Portland and Houston teams never missed a postseason, Dominique Wilkins' Atlanta Hawks made the playoffs eight times in 10 seasons (excluding a third postseason miss in 1992 when Nique only played half the season before succumbing to an Achilles tendon injury) and Charles Barkley participated in the playoffs in 13 of his 15 relatively healthy NBA seasons.
Conversely, in his 12 healthiest NBA seasons in which he averaged about 25 ppg on over 54% field goal shooting, Adrian Dantley's teams missed the playoffs five times. (AD also played on six different teams in that span). And Bernard King, while being mostly injury free in 10 of his 14 NBA seasons, mustered only four playoff appearances, excluding his 1993 playoff appearance with the Nets in which King played just eight minutes per game.So what's the point?
The point is that the players listed above are the ones most often compared to the Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony who, like his predecessors from the 1980s and early 1990s, is a score-first phenom and the team's de facto leader. To Melo's credit, he has led the Nuggets into the highly competitive Western Conference playoffs in each of his five seasons in Denver thus far (something neither LeBron James nor Dwyane Wade have done in the Junior Varsity Eastern Conference).
But with the Nuggets entering 2008-09 with arguably the least talented team surrounding Melo since his arrival in Denver, I'm anxious to see if he's like Alex English - who routinely led the Nuggets into the postseason regardless of the talent around him - or more like Adrian Dantley, who in spite of averaging about 30 ppg in his seven seasons in Utah, guided the Jazz to the playoffs just three times (playing in two). Although unlike Melo, AD actually won a series in both of his playoff appearances for Utah.This exercise is not to overly prop up English or overly denigrate Dantley, both of whom are deserving Hall of Famers. Moreover, two of English's playoff squads (1983-84 and 1986-87) weren't even close to being .500 teams and benefited from the Western Conference having only 12 teams.
But I think most basketball pundits would agree that English (who succeeded AD in Indiana early in his career and in Dallas at the end of his career) was typically regarded as a better teammate than Dantley, and the collection of talent around each of them throughout their careers was pretty even.
One player cannot do it alone nor be expected to. Even Larry Bird and Magic Johnson needed multiple Hall of Fame teammates to win their championships. But one great player can guide you into the playoffs regardless of the quality of his conference and the talent of his teammates. Is Carmelo Anthony one of those great players? I suppose we'll see if his playoff resume ends up looking like English's or Dantley's.
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Whether or not his teams get into the playoffs will depend more on the Three Headed Chess Master than on Carmelo.
As you have acurately observed, basketball is five on five both ways and is the epitome of team sports when played well.
Management, coaching, and team cohesiveness are essential, star player on board or not.
by John S on Sep 15, 2008 9:37 PM MDT reply actions
-Don't you mean most talented?
I think Melo is a superstar in this league. Right now he is stuck in a bad situation. But with time (assuming Karl gets fired) I think Melo will get his goals sorted out and become mentioned with the Kobes, Lebrons and Wades. Still, I would put most of the blame, as denverstiffs does in the "Stiff List", on the owner for not already firing Karl after 2 horrendous and underachieving postseason appearances. In time, if we are able to retain Melo and surround him with good talent, I think he will go down as a great postseason player and be mentioned with Skywalker as the 2 best Nuggets of all time.
by Goldennugget on Sep 15, 2008 10:45 PM MDT reply actions
Moreover, even without the consistent effort, he's still one of the better players in the league and will command a fat contract wherever he goes. I just don't think he wants to be remembered as one of the greatest players ever - or at least he doesn't really want to work as hard as it would take to be remembered as such. Some guys have that desire for greatness, some don't. I fear Melo falls into the latter category.
by grantarchy on Sep 16, 2008 10:43 AM MDT reply actions
As noted, back in the 80s it was easier to make the playoffs. Losing in the first round to eventual champs Spurs twice and finalist Lakers once is not that bad. The Clippers year should have been the year.
by Catalan on Sep 16, 2008 11:54 AM MDT reply actions
As for Carmelo, I don't think it's a lack of fire or commitment. Those are easy cliches. I think it's due to too much upper body mass. He's not as quick or explosive as he used to be. He used to have a lightning quick first step but against Portland last season, he had a hard time even getting past Martell Webster. Martell Webster! That guy is not some underrated defender, he's squarely below average and he stifled Carmelo's penetration last season. That says a lot, as does how difficult it looks for him to maintain any hang time in the air. Gone are any acrobatic layups where you see dynamic flexibility, hang time and body control. Another sign of diminished athleticism is the sheer number of times he got blocked by Ronny Turiaf last season. Turiaf, I understand, is a good shotblocker but not an extraordinary but he would resoundingly stuff Carmelo repeatedly last season in the same game. Great athletes with the scoring instincts Carmelo possesses get rejected as frequently as he did last season.
Lose some weight, get down to 235ish and get back that devastating short area quickness he had at Syracuse and during his rookie season. There is not way a guy so young should have slowed down so much. He was even struggling to finish in the Olympics. Wade, Lebron and to a lesser extent, Kobe were putting on dazzling displays of athleticism driving to the hoop and in the open court. Carmelo looked plodding and ineffective when he wasn't shooting standstill jumpers. It's sad, really.
by Steve on Sep 16, 2008 10:53 PM MDT reply actions
By the time he gets to the basket (after committing the sometimes called offensive foul) he has no momentum, no lift, and people are just standing there waiting to defend his shot. And Melo gets mad when that defense isn't called a foul. And then after 2 or 3 of these, Melo gets frusterated, throws a little tantrum and gets out of control.
The same cycle happens about every 3 or 4 games.
You could really see how non-athletic Melo has become in the olympics, just as Steve said.
Add that to the fact that Melo can't consistently make teams pay for double teaming him, and i think you have the main reason our half-court offense is miserable. And if you want to win in the playoffs (where teams stop the Nuggs from running) you need to improve the half-court offense.
It was amazing to see JR Smith blow by his man... maybe a good coach would figure out a way to use that to his advantage, and still keep Melo happy and feeling like THE man, without him actually being THE man.
by John on Sep 17, 2008 9:34 AM MDT reply actions
Here's the article anyway:
http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/summer04/basketball/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1848219
by Steve on Sep 18, 2008 3:03 PM MDT reply actions
after this statement I don't even know if I need to address this topic
Right off the bat, you fail
Najera and Camby leaving don't somehow NOW make the Nuggs garbage
by Anonymous on Sep 19, 2008 9:12 AM MDT reply actions


















