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THE DENVER STIFFS HALL OF FAME (YOU VOTE, YOU WIN!)...

I'm taking off shortly for a two week trip to South America where I will have very little access to email and the Internet. (And no, I'm not going to check on whether or not Nene is keeping himself in shape for once.)

When I planned this trip about six months ago, I didn't take into consideration that I'd be missing the medal round for Olympic Basketball and the Democratic National Convention. I can't say I'm pleased about missing either event, but these things happen.

So with a full month of non-Nuggets news staring us in the face, and me taking my two week sabbatical, allow me to present the first ever ballot for the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame. Like its counterparts in Cooperstown, Canton and Springfield, the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame will be an exclusive, prestigious club comprised only of the finest stiffs in Denver Nuggets history. I'm hoping this will be the first in a series of nostalgia pieces that I'll write upon my return in an attempt to bring a little more fun to what's been a very frustrating summer for Nuggets fans.

All Halls of Fame need several members to start with and I want you, Nuggets fans worldwide, to help induct the first class. To do this, I will present a ballot featuring six eligible guards, six forwards and three centers. At your convenience, I'd like you to please select two guards, two forwards, one center and one sixth man (of any position) and either email your selections to denverstiffs@gmail.com or post your choices in the comments below. If you feel I missed someone on my ballot, feel free to write in your own selections as long as he fits within the induction rules outlined below.

When I return from my trip soon after Labor Day, I’ll go through the emails and the players who receive the most votes will be announced as the first class of the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame. To entice you to participate, I’ll be randomly giving away free X-Box 360 sports games (courtesy of my friends at Yardbarker.com) to some of the people who email me their selections. So be sure to include your mailing address at the bottom of your email!

Before presenting the ballot for the inaugural class of the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame, we need to lay down a few GROUND RULES FOR INDUCTION…

1) Any inductee must be a former Nugget. He can be a current NBA player, but cannot be on the current Nuggets roster. This eliminates current stiffs like Kenyon Martin and Steven Hunter.

2) Any inductee must have played – check that, appeared – in at least 60 games in a Nuggets uniform. This eliminates Joe Barry Carroll and Priest Lauderdale. (Come to think of it, we may need to loosen up the induction requirements in the future. I mean, how could Lauderdale not be in the Denver Stiffs HOF eventually? Maybe Lauderdale will be the Goose Gossage of the Denver Stiffs HOF and get in twenty years from now).

3) Special consideration should be given to players who had ridiculously large contracts (like Tariq Abdul-Wahad), were white (like Mark Randall) or better yet, were both white and had a large contract (like Blair Rasmussen).

4) Special consideration should also be given to players drafted by the Nuggets who were not only total busts, but went ahead of future All-Stars (like Raef LaFrentz and Nikoloz Tskitishvili did), or were on the wrong side of a lopsided trade that totally screwed the Nuggets (like Abdul-Wahad or Martin).

5) Players who were stiff-like but never got paid anything and still gave a solid effort on the floor should get a pass on inclusion (for now), such as Ryan Bowen and Bill Hanzlik.

One more thing before we get to the ballot. Even though I've been going to / watching Nuggets games my whole life, I'm only 32 years old. Therefore, I really don’t remember anything before 1980 (except seeing "Star Wars" at the Continental Theater), so my selections below span the last 27 or so years of Nuggets history. If I’ve missed some legendary stiffs that came pre-1980, please write them in on your email ballot.

With that said, here is my ballot (in alphabetical order per position) for the eligible players to be inducted into the inaugural class of the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame:

FORWARDS (PICK TWO)

Mark Alarie (1986-87)
Former Nuggets President and GM Vince Boryla really went out with a bang before being replaced by Pete Babcock in October 1987. In the 1986 NBA Draft the Nuggets held the 16th and 18th picks, and Boryla used them to select St. Joe's Mo Martin and Duke's Mark Alarie, respectively. Neither player would appear in more than 69 games as a Nugget, and Alarie in particular was the consummate stiff: he was white, went to Duke and was out of the league after five forgettable seasons. The good news was that Babcock was able to move Alarie, along with Darrell Walker, to the Bullets for Michael Adams and Jay Vincent, an absolute steal of a trade (but hey, that's what happens when you deal with Wes Unseld).
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Alarie was able to parlay his basketball fame and degree in Economics at Duke into an MBA from Wharton and is now an advisor at Chesapeake Partners in Maryland.

Tony Battie (1997-98)
In fairness to then-GM Allan Bristow, there wasn't much to choose from at the five-spot in the very weak 1997 NBA Draft. Yes, Tracy McGrady went ninth, but he was deemed a huge risk at the time. Regardless, Battie was a key "contributor" on the worst-ever 11-win Nuggets team, prompting Dan Issel to label him as "El Busto" during his radio show. When Issel took the helm as the team's President/GM in 1998 after Battie's lone season in Denver, he immediately traded Battie to the Lakers for Nick Van Exel, one of Issel's rare shrewd moves running the team. Battie eeked out 10 decent NBA seasons through 2007, but you expect more from the fifth pick in the draft than 6.7 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 1.0 bpg.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Battie had shoulder surgery in October 2007 and hasn't been able to come back from it.

Kevin Brooks (1991-94)
Brooks was one of the all-time great wastes of space in Nuggets history. He did nothing well: he was a bad shooter, a bad rebounder and a god awful defender. I don't even think he cheerleaded well on the 1993-94 team that upset the Sonics in the first round of the playoffs. If Brooks was renowned for anything, it was for looking like he was asleep at all times on the bench. And to think some people actually had the audacity to compare him to Alex English when "KB" was drafted in 1991 by Milwaukee and immediately traded to Denver is beyond laughable.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? According to Hoopedia, Brooks played and coached in Australia after his NBA career was over. Most recently, Brooks was the head coach of the Century City Saints in New Zealand but stepped down last summer after a "rocky relationship" with the franchise.

Tim Kempton (1989-90)
I feel a little bad including Kempton on this list since he was a Sixth Round draft choice who managed to work himself into an NBA paycheck for nine respectable seasons. But pudgy red heads don't come around often, and you have to savor their presence on your team when they do (just ask current Celtics fans who root voraciously for Brian Scalabrine). Kempton's Nuggets career was brief and relatively painless. But believe it or not, he started in 14 games in his one season in Denver, Doug Moe's unceremonious last as the Nuggets' head coach.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Kempton is now a broadcaster for the Phoenix Suns.

Nikoloz Tskitishvili (2002-05)
"Skita" joins Raef LaFrentz with the distinction of being a top-five pick drafted ahead of future perennial All-Stars (in Skita's case, the All-Stars are Amare Stoudamire and Caron Butler). But unlike LaFrentz, Skita contributed absolutely nothing to the Nuggets during his tenure with the team. In fact, I remember once watching Skita take a wide open shot and hitting the shot clock in a game against the Lakers. Averaging a paltry 2.9 ppg, 1.8 rpg and 30.4% field goal shooting, Skita wasn't just the Nuggets biggest draft bust ever, but one of the NBA's biggest draft busts of the past 20 years. Skita was so bad, he couldn't crack Isiah Thomas' Knicks team after his departure from Denver.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? According to Hoopedia , Skita currently plays for Caja San Fernando in the ACB, the Spanish basketball league.

Joe Wolf (1990-92, 1997-98)
Wolf was a member of the Nuggets third worst team ever, the 20-win 1990-91 squad on which he started 38 times and put up 7.3 ppg in coach Paul Westhead's high octane "offense." Of course, Wolf did this on 45.1% field goal shooting, not good when you're 6'11". But I remember him making fun of my friend Justin's long hair at the 1991 meet-the-team party, which was kind of ironic considering Wolf sported a mullet for so many years. Therefore, he'll forever be a Denver Stiff HOF nominee to me.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? After returning to the organization as the head coach of the Nuggets' NBDL affiliate, the 14ers, Wolf will be an assistant coach for the Milwaukee Bucks this season.

CENTERS (PICK ONE)

Dean Garrett (1997-98)
Woody Allen once said something like: "in the NBA, you win 15 games just by showing up." Well, in 1997-98 the Nuggets managed to do worse than that, mustering a mere 11 victories (tied for second worst in NBA history). And guess who started in all 82 games at center that season? None other than Dean Garrett. Despite being 6'10", Garrett made only 42.8% of his shots and wasn't particularly good on the defensive end either. Within four years of starting for the Nuggets, Garrett would be out of the league entirely.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? According to a 2006 article on the Timberwolves' web site, Garrett moved back to Minneapolis and is the part-owner of three downtown businesses there, including a nightclub and restaurant.

Scott Hastings (1991-93)
I was hesitant to put Hastings on this list since he's no more than a footnote in Nuggets player history. But he belongs on this list for two reasons. First, the ridiculous decision to allow Hastings to announce Denver Broncos games - for which he received two Super Bowl rings! - after gravy-training on the Nuggets from 1991-93. What's next, are we going to see Ashley Lelie broadcast Golden State Warriors games after he gets cut from the 49ers? And second, in his current role as the Nuggets color analyst, Hastings has turned from a reasonably funny, poor man's Charles Barkley-type commentator to a yes-man for Kroenke Sports, as evident by him laying into this blog several times last season. It should be noted that Hastings' situation isn't specific to the Nuggets as almost all TV analysts in the NBA are employed directly by the teams they cover, but it's a shame that the fans don't get the objective point of view we deserve.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? As noted above, Hastings is now the official color analyst for the Nuggets on Altitude TV and has his own radio show with Broncos legend Alfred Williams on 104.3 The Fan.

Blair Rasmussen (1985-91)
This third center spot was a really tough call for me. How can you have a Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame without legendary names like Danny Schayes, Blair Rasmussen, Raef LaFrentz and Dave Robisch? Anyone who was a fan of the Nuggets in the 1980s knows that Robisch was at the tail end of his career having given the Denver Rockets his best seasons in the early 1970s, Schayes and Rasmussen were productive staples in spite of their lack of athleticism, and LaFrentz - even though he was erroneously drafted ahead of perennial All-Stars Vince Carter, Antawn Jamison and Paul Pierce - actually produced decent numbers as a Nugget, including over 2.5 blocks per game. So I had to look to former coach Doug Moe to break the tie here (quoted from Mark Kiszla's March 16th editorial in the Denver Post): "Remember when (former Nuggets GM) Pete Babcock gave Blair Rasmussen that big contract back when I was the coach? He told me, 'Well, if you project his numbers over 48 minutes, he's the third-best center in the whole league.' And I told him, 'What, are you a complete idiot?'"
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? I couldn't find what Rasmussen's been up to, other than being inducted into the University of Oregon Hall of Fame in 2002. Maybe he'll get inducted into his second Hall of Fame soon, eh?

GUARDS (PICK TWO)

Tariq Abdul-Wahad (1999-2002)
Born Olivier Michael Saint-Jean, Abdul-Wahad one of the least productive shooting guards in Nuggets history. That on its own wouldn't be the end of the world, but he was acquired by then-President/GM Dan Issel in a trade for both Chauncey Billups and Ron Mercer...and subsequently received a seven-year, $43.3 million contract from Issel. Abdul-Wahad rewarded Issel's stupidity by playing in only 64 games as a Nugget over two-and-a-half injury riddled seasons while producing just 6.5 ppg on 38.5% field goal shooting to go along with one assist and half a steal per game...and he was allegedly a good defender.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? According to Wikipedia, in 2006 Abdul-Wahad was invited to try out for an Italian team and didn't get signed. He also appears to have his own French website which hasn't been updated since 2005.

Dale Ellis (1994-97)
Coached by Bernie Bickerstaff for four very productive seasons in Seattle, Ellis would rejoin his former coach in Denver in 1994 and preside over a .394 winning percentage in three years. A virtual iron man as a Nugget, Ellis missed only two games in three seasons. But knowing that Bernie's Nuggets were built for implosion, Ellis played more for his contract than the team. On the painfully tragic 21-win, 1996-97 team, Ellis chucked his way to 16.6 ppg on 41.4% shooting. Ellis was so little desired by other teams (remember, he once brawled with former Sonics' teammate Xavier McDaniel and had run-ins with domestic abuse and drunken driving) that the best the Nuggets could get for him was Steve Scheffler, Greg Graham and a second round pick.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? I wasn't able to dig up much on Ellis' post-NBA career online. I found this picture at a Sonics Legends Tour event and a blurb on Google about him having a Literacy Foundation, but that was all.

Todd Lichti (1989-93)
I feel bad putting Lichti on this list because after a halfway decent rookie season, Lichti was involved in a car accident that killed his fiancee and broke his foot, and he just never recovered. Drafted 15th in the 1989 NBA Draft by Babcock, Lichti would continue the Nuggets trend of wasted first round picks throughout the 1980s. Unfortunately for Lichti, he was one of those tweener guards with no real specialty, no reliable jumper and wasn't quick enough to defend the new generation of shooting guards in the NBA. After three years in Denver, Lichti couldn't even keep his job on the 32-win Celtics team of 1993-94. If you're white and can't make a bad Celtics team run by M.L. Carr, you know your career is over.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? After his playing career was over, Lichti went on to do some announcing for the Nuggets six years ago, but I couldn't find any information on what he's doing now. Lichti's name last resurfaced in the bizarre case of Ronnie Craven, the man who conned a woman into dating him after claiming to be former NBA player Jeff Turner. Apparently, Craven also told members of a gym in Seattle that he was Lichti.

Mark Macon (1991-94)
Macon fit in nicely with the Nuggets strategy of drafting and acquiring players just because they appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated while in college. Drafted 8th overall (over future productive players like Stacey Augmon, Terrell Brandon, Greg Anthony, Brian "Bison Dele" Williams and Dale Davis) by Bickerstaff, Macon was a total fraud as a player. In his two-and-change seasons as the Nuggets "shooting" guard, Macon shot well under 40% from the field while contributing nothing else to the team other than those "M & M Connection" caricature T-shirts with fellow rookie Dikembe Mutombo. Drafting Macon and acquiring Kevin Brooks in the same draft should have been a sign of things to come from Bickerstaff.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? In 2007, Macon was hired as an assistant coach for Binghamton University's men's basketball team.

Maurice Martin (1986-88)
While it was true that head coach Doug Moe never liked to play rookies, "Mo" Martin couldn't find playing time anywhere in the NBA. After being drafted 16th overall in 1986 (two spots ahead of fellow Denver Stiffs HOF nominee Mark Alarie), Martin appeared in only 69 total games in a Nuggets uniform in two seasons...his only two seasons in the NBA. I'm guessing his career 37.8% field goal shooting didn't help his cause. Maybe the Nuggets should just stay away from drafting big guards whose initals are "MM."
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? Denver Stiffs reader Brian D. wrote in tell me that Martin is in charge of converting the Pepsi Center basketball court into ice for Avalanche games, and vice versa.

George McCloud (1999-2002)
For this nominee slot, I was torn between McCloud, DerMarr Johnson, Junior Harrington and Yakhouba Diawara - all of whom received ample opportunities to succeed on the Nuggets and made the least of those opportunities. For this year's ballot, I'm going with McCloud since he saw the most playing time of the four players. For three straight seasons in Denver, McCloud - a former 7th overall pick by Indiana - received at least 26 minutes per game and yet shot less than 39% from the field. In his final NBA season with Denver (his last in the NBA), McCloud not only had the audacity to demand more playing time but he chucked more than three three-point shots per game, making only 27% of them.
WHERE ARE THEY NOW? I wasn't able to dig up anything on McCloud's post-NBA career online.

So there you have my attempt at the first-ever ballot for the Denver Stiffs Hall of Fame. This is obviously very subjective, and therefore I encourage you all to write in any of the names you think I excluded.

Have a great two weeks, and I look forward to tallying your votes upon my return. And Go Nuggets!

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Do I have to pay for the postage and handling to Australia :P

GUARDS

- Tariq-Abdul Wahad: I can't go passed him. The fact that we lost Chauncey Billups for him is beyond the term 'stiff'

- Maurice Martin: Other than the things you already mentioned; I thought that it would be good to get a 'Martin' into the Denver Stiff HOF since we can't get K-Mart in there!

FORWARDS

- Nikoloz Tskitishvili: Not only did he bust his chance in Denver the first time; but he got a second chance in the Summer League (Even i could do some damage there!) a few seasons ago and was a bust too! So yeah, couldn't even redeem himself! Stiff for sure!

- Tony Battie: 'El Busto'... That's all I'm going to say. Actually, 'El Stiffo' would be good if it didn't sound so erotically dirty.

CENTER

- Scott Hastings: Every time we watch a Nuggets' game we are reminded of his stiff-ness by his commentating on Altitude.

SIXTH MAN

- Yakhouba Diawara: Although you chose McCloud over him, Kooba' is more in my time :P. He was given so many opportunities! Started a game. And once, if i'm not mistaken, he went 1 for 10 on three point shots in a game! That's got 'stiff' written all over it! Good luck in Miami though!

by andrew fisher on Aug 20, 2008 12:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My picks...

FORWARDS
-Skita and Brooks

CENTER
-Garrett

GUARDS
-Abdul Wahad and Macon

SIXTH MAN
-Mo Martin

by maxie miner on Aug 20, 2008 12:33 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

There is no way in hell that Dale Ellis and Blair Rasmussen should be nominees. Dale Ellis for obvious reasons (he was an All-Star Game STARTER in 1989).

Blair Rasmussen was the starting center the year the Nuggets had their best record ever (1987-88, 54 wins). In 1991 he averaged 13 points, 10 rebounds and 2 blocks in less than three quarters (33 minutes) of play. What a stiff.

That said, here are my votes:

GUARDS:

- Mark Macon: couldn't make a shot to save his life.

- Yakouba Diarrhea: see Macon. Why in the world he is not a nominee? Since he isn't, my vote goes to Abdul-Wahad.

FORWARDS:

- Nikoloz Tskitisvhili: biggest Nuggets bust ever.

- Kevin Brooks: we traded Blair Rasmussen to get him!

CENTER:

- Scott Hastings: honorable mention to Mark Pope.

SIXTH MAN:

- Tony Battie

by Catalan on Aug 20, 2008 6:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Skita all day!

When you could have had either Amare Stoudimire, Caron Butler, Tayshawn Prince... Shoot in the second ROUND you could have had Carlos BOOZER!?

That day was just pure hell and it started with Nikoloz Tskitishvili...

We got Nene but... come on... The Nuggets could have had Boozer AND Stoudamire... There would have been no Kenyon... no... ahh jeez i'm depressed.... lol Thanks drew!

by chillz on Aug 20, 2008 7:28 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Forwards: Skita and Alarie

Centers: Garrett

Guards: Abdul-Wahad Mo Martin

You need to include James Ray fifth overall pick in the 1980 nba draft

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rayja01.html

by michael on Aug 20, 2008 8:04 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

For sure-you forgot to include one of the best and will be my write in candidate:

Guards:
Marc Shaking the Bacon Macon
Todd Lichti-in whatever stupid voice you used to say it in

Forwards:-is there really any question
KB
Joe Wolf

Center:-I am ashamed he wasnt automatic
Danny Schayes

by jk on Aug 20, 2008 8:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy not to see Stith's name on the ballot. Heck, his name sounds like Stiff.

by The Virginia Contigency on Aug 20, 2008 8:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My picks are:

Joe Wolf
Scott Hastings
Tim Kempton
Todd Lichti
Mark Macon (I prefer Bryant Stith)

by Charles Boomer on Aug 20, 2008 9:44 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Forward - You left off 1980's David Thompson. Right after getting a 4 million dollar contract he found the magic of cocaine, and immediately dropped 10 points off his per game average. Then he injured his knee in a coked out stupor at Studio 54. Classy! (Not to be confused with 1970's David Thompson, allstar.)

For the others, I'll always defer to white boys.

Nikoloz Tskitishvili Forward

Scott Hastings - Center - Hilarious and talentless, he'd appreciate the nomination.

Tariq Abdul-Wahad - Guard

Lichti - Guard

you know where to find me.

by Mordecai on Aug 20, 2008 11:40 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Orlando Woolridge needs to be added to that list. Sure he lead the team in scoring his only year here in Denver, but he did that on so many bad teams. It was almost a joke that the team Orlando was on was destined to a 20 win season.

About Hastings, he was a funny self deprecating guy as a center for Denver. In fact, Time Magazine did an article on him being a career 12th man, and his humor and insight got him an appearance or to on David Letterman during his playing days as well.

Here's a relic from the Kevin Brooks Department. Anyone remember ROBERT WERDANN? He needs to be on the list in the worst way!

by Jon-Michael on Aug 20, 2008 1:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Another to the list:

Voshon Lenard. He was a streaky shooter. When he was on, he shot lights out, but when he wasn't, fans were ducking from basketballs at the Pepsi Center. Also, this guy easily was the worst defender on the Nuggets in the last few years.

by Jon-Michael on Aug 20, 2008 1:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but I don't want to rip on most of those guys. I've loved the Nuggs since '89 when I was a kid, and I really just don't like ripping on guys who weren't good enough. I would rather rip on talented guys who were selfish.

My all-selfish team:

Guards:
Robert Pack
Earl Boykins

Forwards:
Orlando Woolridge
George McCloud
(tempting to put Melo here is he doesn't change his ways)

Center:
Dikembe Mutombo (I always got the feeling that he was a me first player...still is. Even though he does the "dirty work" it seems like he cares about stats more than winning. Also, I could be wrong, I'm wrong a lot.)

6th man:
Nick Van Exel

7th man:
Kenyon Martin

Coach: Bernie Bickerstaff

by JL on Aug 20, 2008 2:37 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice idea on the All-Time Denver Nuggets Stiffs poll, man, bringing the community together!! Also, the "Where are they now" was a nice touch.

Here are my picks:

G - Tariq Abdul-Wahad - Ugh! All that money and we lost Chauncey?!?

G - Maurice Martin - Someone told me he sells (or sold) cars on a car lot here in Denver

F - Nikoloz Tskitishvili - This one still hurts

F - Joe Wolf - How do you only average 7 ppg in that offense?

C - Blair Rasmussen - I saw him play at the Great Alaska shootout in college and get outscored (14-6!!!) by the University of Alaska-Anchorage center (Hansi Gnad) who was 6' 7"

6th - I have to break the rules and go with George Karl here. He has 800 career wins and we can't even come close to the 2nd round?

by Lord Sam on Aug 20, 2008 2:40 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

A few other names to throw out there. Didn't we sign CORY ALEXANDER to an absurd contract? Science fiction, man.

Also, there's Jerome Lane, Julius Hodge, Winston Garland.

And got to agree with some of the biggies already mentioned:

Skita.

Schayes

Rasmussen

Battie

Werdan

LaFrentz.

by Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 4:28 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

FORWARDS (PICK TWO)
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Joe Wolf

CENTERS (PICK ONE)
Blair Rasmussen

GUARDS (PICK TWO)
Dale Ellis
George McCloud

by Pimp Daddy on Aug 20, 2008 5:12 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

And, to go back a few years, a burnt out George McGinnis should receive some consideration. Especially considering we traded an in-his-prime Bobby Jones for him.

by Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 7:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

When I hear All-time Nuggets stiffs the first four names that come to mind are:
GMC
Tariq Abdul Wahad
Dean Garrett
Skita

They are the only ones deserving of the inaugural induction.

by Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 9:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Guards:

Tariq
Ron Mercer (write-in candidate)

Forwards:
Mark Alarie
Shitski

Center:
Raef LaFrentz (come on!)

by DeAngelo Starnes on Aug 20, 2008 11:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

6th Man (a.k.a. should be a popcorn seller):

Mark Macon

I'm with the commentor - Dale Ellis?

by DeAngelo Starnes on Aug 20, 2008 11:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Better yet how about this team:

Carmelo Anthony
Allen Iverson
Kenyon Martin
Nene
Anthony Carter

by DeAngelo Starnes on Aug 20, 2008 11:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe you didn't include one of the biggest jinx in sports history, and the reason that we're first round virgins since 2003: Juwan Howard. Here is his resumé in 14 seasons playing with Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady, Yao Ming or Chris Webber while getting paid the maximum:

1 WC Semifinal (1-4)
3 1st Round losses (as a role player after his prime)
1 over .500 season without playoffs
9 sub .500 seasons classified as:
4 sub .500 season with decent records
2 21-61 seasons
1 19-63 season
1 18-64 season
1 17-65 season (with Denver, earning 20,000,000 million)

+ The Fab Five fiasco


All three teams where he played more than a year (Washington, Denver and Houston) are 1st round virgins since Juwan Howard.
Orlando Magic got that monkey off their back last year to a 2nd round loss.
And Dallas, advanced to the WCF and NBA Finals, that's true, but he didn't play a full season there. Yet, at the same time we can see signs of Juwan Howard influence on the chokejob vs. Heat and the Warriors fiasco.
That's why Houston won't get a championship this year, they still got the Juwan Howard curse all over them. We got the Juwan Howard curse+George Karl, so we're more screwed, no matter what.

I know that we should only judge him based on what he did on Denver, but yet still, he deserve it. 3rd worse Nuggets record on history while being one of the top payed guys on the league? If he was THAT good, add James Posey on his prime, 28 healthy MPG from that 1st Rookie Team select called Nene Hilario, a 27 year old Mark Blount who is still starting on the league, some scrubs like Chris Whitney and Shammond Williams, promising youngs back then like Rodney White and Devin Brown and a Camby sighting, and there's no way that roster is the 3rd worst on Nuggets history. Unless your 20,000,000 franchise player is a complete STIFF. 20 millies for a 18.4/7.6/0.4 on .450 FG shooting line on that crappy team where he even padded his stats? You gotta be kidding me. I hope he's inducted on the next ballot.

I mean, Former Nugget? Check. More than 60 games on a Nuggets uniform? Check. Ridiculously large contract? Albeit expring, hell yeah! We didn't drafted him, but still... He's a way better player than the ones you inducted, but the fact that he was supposed to be an All-Star, his salary, and the CURSE should earn him a spot.

So let's get to the point, my 2008 Denver Stiffs Hall Of Fame team it's:
G Tariq Abdul-Wahad (The fact that Billups broke out made it even worse...)
G George McCloud (I'm a fan since 1993 more or less, so it was between Ellis and McCloud... Ellis was just a chucker, McCloud, well...)
F Kevin Brooks (It took me a while to remember who he was. It's like the forward version of Jeff Trepagnier. And I would consider voting for Jeff)
F J.Howard (J means Jinx)
C Scott Hastings (Forget about basketball. I can't stand him on Altitude. If you give me an opportunity to bash him, I will get it)

6th Man: Nikoloz Tskitishvilli. He couldn't start even on an All-Stiffs team.

Coach: George Karl (Of course...)

by Mario from Spain on Aug 21, 2008 8:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Forwards: Kevin Brooks and Nikoloz Tskitishvili

Guards: Tariq Abdul-Wahad and Mark Macon

Center: Dean Garrett

Sixth Man: Earl Boykins!

Have a great vacation, man! Long Live Nuggets Nation!

by JOEL on Aug 21, 2008 8:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Forwards:
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Juwan Howard

Center:
Scott Hastings

Guards:
Mark Macon
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf

by J Silver on Aug 21, 2008 8:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going with Abdul-wahad and macon at guards, skita and battie at forwards, rasmussen at center and my write in 6th man is Earl Boykins because he was the most frustrating Nugget ever in my opinion.

by Brandon on Aug 21, 2008 7:36 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Nuggets re-sign Smith!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3548705

by john on Aug 22, 2008 1:26 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

smith re-signed. bout time. and USA moves to the gold medal game. look out spain.

by Anonymous on Aug 22, 2008 3:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

GUARDS

- Tariq-Abdul Wahad: We gave up Billups for this guy??? Then give him a huge deal...WOW!!! I'm still cracking up about his 6 points a game.

- George McCloud: Demand more playing time and you only knock down 39% of your shots...haha.

FORWARDS

- Nikoloz Tskitishvili: I don't have enough time to describe why I hate this guy.

- Tony Battie: A 5th pick and only 6 points and 5 boards are you f'ing kidding me??

CENTER

- Blair Rasmussen: I don't know if he can be considered a basketball player.

WRITE IN PLAYER

- Earl Boykins: This guy made me want to not be a Nuggets fan. This guy thought he was A.I. with all the shots he took. TERRIBLE

by Matt on Aug 22, 2008 5:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon, Hastings a stiff? He's about as critical of the Nuggets on Altitude as you can be and still remain a company man.

by Tom on Aug 23, 2008 7:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

why has no one mentioned nick van exel?

by Anonymous on Aug 23, 2008 11:07 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

USA TAKES THE GOLD!!!!!

by Anonymous on Aug 24, 2008 2:33 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My history of the Denver Nuggets only goes back a year, as you might already know. However, two things:

1) I also missed the US vs Spain gold medal game. NBCOlympics said the game started at 2:30PM. However, as I later found out after the game was over (I caught the final 30 seconds), the time shown on the website was Beijing time. Nice.

2) Anyone notice Chris Marlowe was announcing the beach volleyball games at the Olympics? I thought that was pretty cool, and doing some Googling on Marlowe I discovered he's got some history with volleyball.

I deserve an XBox game for that little tidbit!

by ohxten on Aug 25, 2008 8:34 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ummm...I am very surprised that no one has mentioned Chris Jackson, AKA Machmud Abdul rauf. Really no one?

Mordecai

by Anonymous on Aug 25, 2008 4:15 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Guards:
Macon and Abdul Wahad

Forwards:
Skita, Battie

Center:
Menk Bateer

6th Man:
Nene

by Paterade on Aug 29, 2008 9:46 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

ESPN just released it's 2008/2009 season predictions and they predicted the Nuggets would be a 37 win team and finish 10 in the West behind Warriors, Blazers, Clippers and Mavs. Am I giong crazy or does anybody else think this is just ludicrous? I mean Camby was great but is Camby really worth 13 more wins a season?

by Goldennugget on Aug 29, 2008 10:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

@Golden Nugget:

I think its a fair assessment. The problem isn't so much that we lost Camby (although that will hurt) but that the other teams are either younger and getting better, or made better off season moves. That said, I think 37 wins is probably a low figure, but its not out of the question.

by denverson on Aug 31, 2008 4:27 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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