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A weak analysis of the Nuggets Summer League Roster...

I was going to wait until the NBA Las Vegas Summer League kicked off this weekend to write about the Nuggets roster. But Denver Stiffs reader "micb" beat me to the punch and brought it up as a comment on our last post, so I thought I'd get this out tonight in hopes that the Summer League roster discussion will take place here.

First off, here's a glance at the Nuggets 2008 Summer League Roster, courtesy of Nuggets.com:

(No. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. School Exp.)
6 Elton Brown F 6-9 255 Virginia R
7 Jamon Gordon G 6-3 212 Virginia Tech R
0 Taurean Green G 6-0 177 Florida 1
8 Mike Hall F 6-8 230 George Washington 1
11 Bobby Jones F 6-7 215 Washington 2
1 Dahntay Jones G/F 6-6 210 Duke 5
2 Keith Langford G 6-4 215 Kansas 1
3 Chris Lofton G 6-2 200 Tennessee R
5 Jelani McCoy F/C 6-10 245 UCLA 8
9 Curtis Sumpter F 6-7 225 Villanova R
13 Sonny Weems G/F 6-6 203 Arkansas R
10 Jeff Varem G/F 6-6 245 Washington State R

As stated in my NBA Draft Preview, I don't follow enough college basketball to even attempt to showcase any expertise on the Summer League participants. But like all things NBA, there are certain trends associated with Summer League rosters that allow you to make some assumptions. For example, like actresses who take their clothes off in movies, most Summer League players are either new to the scene (like Sonny Weems and Chris Lofton) or have been around a while and are desperate to get one last high paying job (like Lamond Murray last year and Jelani McCoy and Dahntay Jones this year).

If you don't buy into my actress analogy, I gladly refer you to Heather Graham's career.

By my accounting, the real Nuggets roster already has 10 of 15 slots filled (assuming the re-signing of J.R. Smith and Anthony Carter, but not Eduardo Najera yet). And you have to figure the Nuggets will sign at least one low-priced free agent soon. Therefore, it's possible that four roster spots could be up for grabs between the Summer League and training camp rosters. But how many of these Summer League guys have a viable shot at being on the Nuggets roster beyond training camp?

I've looked at the Nuggets Summer League rosters dating back to 2005 - the commencement of what I'll start naming The Era of Karl and the Kroenke Cronies (referring to head coach George Karl and the Nuggets GM troika of Mark Warkentien, Bret Bearup and Rex Chapman). In 2005, two summer league participants - Julius Hodge and Linas Kleiza - ended up on the training camp and regular season roster. But as first round draft choices, they were assured of making the team. In 2006, only Yakhouba Diawara - who was undrafted - found his way into training camp and onto the Nuggets roster. And last year, Von Wafer was the sole survivor from Summer League (on a roster that also featured - gulp - Nikoloz Tskitishvili in what will most assuredly be his final NBA "gig") who scored a spot on the Nuggets opening day roster, while McCoy joined the team later on as a seat filler for injured players. Therefore, it's not worth spending a lot of time fussing over the Summer League roster, as most of these guys will never be heard from again in the NBA.

But in looking at the 2008 roster and taking history into consideration, it looks like Weems has the best shot of being a full-time Nugget in 2008-09 (they did trade for the guy, after all) with Green and Bobby Jones also having a chance due to the organization's familiarity with them.

If you're looking for a dark horse candidate to show up at training camp, consider Virginia alum Elton Brown, whom my colleague Mike Moreau of HoopsWorld.com emailed me saying "[Brown] knows his way around the basket" and is a "good player." Since Mike knows a hell of a lot more about these guys than I do (his organization trains them for Summer League), I did a little digging on Brown and he seems like an intriguing prospect. In addition to being 6'9" and over 250 pounds, Brown averaged almost 20 ppg and 10 rpg in 2006-07 for the Nuggets NBDL affiliate, the Colorado 14ers...all while playing for ex-Nugget Joe Wolf (now that's an accomplishment!). Also, Brown upped his production to 25 ppg and 12 rpg in the NBDL playoffs that year.

Since the Nuggets didn't take my advice and draft a big man like D.J. White when they had the chance, it may not be a bad idea to have an extra 6'9" power forward around for training camp. It's clear that the Nuggets collection of reserve "swingmen" over the years hasn't been productive (take your pick: Diawara, Hodge, Wafer, Jones, DerMarr Johnson and so on). Besides, you can never have enough size in the Western Conference.

Again, I haven't seen a lot of these guys play, so I welcome your thoughts and insights on the Summer League roster. In the meantime, I'll try to get more scoop on Brown from my University of Virginia contingency.

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Was Jamon Gordon undrafted? I can't wait to see how he, Lofton, and Taurean Green will do. As our own Sonny Weems.

I hope one of these guys is a steal for us.

- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 1:40 AM MDT reply actions  

I think if anyone has a shot outside of Green, Weems and B. Jones it's gotta be either Elton Brown or Curtis Sumpter. Elton Brown has been on nearly every "Nuggets may call someone up from D-League" story or note for the last year or two, and we could certainly use a big body who is young and has fresh legs (read not Jelani McCoy who can't get off the bench).
Sumpter is a guy who is unbelievably likeable. It's not clear that he's a true NBA player though. That said, he's a hard worker, rebounds way better than his body suggests and understands the game. He worked through 2 bad knee injuries at Villanova (they had a shot at a title the year they played 4 guards had he been healthy...) and on a team with Foye, Allan Ray and Kyle Lowry was probably their best player until he blew out a knee. He's the kind of no nonsense guy that would be a great replacement to Najera if we don't resign him, and the kind of guy Karl will like. All of that said, he's not big and not a great athlete.

Jamon Gordon was undrafted, and is a freakish athlete and pretty good player, but may be one of the worst shooting guards I've ever seen play in college. He does rebound and pass well and has a little bit of Rajon Rondo in him, so knowing the Nuggets we'll carry 18 point guards and no bigs other than who is already on the roster, and none of those PGs will ever get any PT...

Anyone know anything about Jeff Varem?

by Eric B on Jul 9, 2008 7:30 AM MDT reply actions  

I only count 9 roster spots filled right now. They are Iverson, Anthony, Camby, Nene, Martin, Kleiza, Atkins, along with Smith and Carter. No other current Nuggets have guaranteed contracts for next season.

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 8:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Hey Anonymous #2:

You forgot about Stephen Hunter who's on the books for two straight seasons!

by maxie miner on Jul 9, 2008 8:46 AM MDT reply actions  

Hey, it's Matt, I run Hardwood Paroxysm and Ridiculous Upside. Saw your piece on Elton Brown, wanted to let you know that of all the D-League players I watched last year, Brown had the most NBA-ready body and game. I also wanted to let you know that I'm going to be following Elton's progress and his daily life on the Nuggets roster for three days at Summer League. So there you go.

Your summer league team is stacked. Keith Langford is a fantastic scorer who's game is getting more polished and he's killing Orlando's summer league right now. Weems is a great prospect, Jelani McCoy has excellent size, and Bobby Jones is the consumate pro. That team is stacked.

Best,
Matt Moore
Hardwood Paroxysm
Ridiculous Upside

by Matt Moore on Jul 9, 2008 8:50 AM MDT reply actions  

While it doesn't always translate to the NBA, Chris Lofton had an outstanding college career. I vaguely remember what Eric above is refering to with Sumpter at Villanova and that's good to see, but what I really want to see is rather or not Taurean Green can step his game up and be worth us acquiring him. I think he was a first round pick a year ago if I'm not mistaken, but either way I think he's a defender type which is good. Anyone know what his prowess is? Is he a defender? A good passer? I think offensively he's a slasher type but that's not really important for what we need out of our guards aside from AI and JR.

by Eric (the other one) on Jul 9, 2008 8:51 AM MDT reply actions  

Masai Ujiri was a top-rated international scout for the Nuggets before jumping ship last year and going to the Raptors. He always raved about Jeff Varem. Varem comes from Nigeria and has been in the d-League for the past couple of seasons. I think he's probably about 25 years old now, so it may be too late for him to break into the NBA. But if there was ever a chance to make it, this would be the year because the Nuggets are looking to fill the bottom of their roster with hard-working players that are willing to sign for the minimum and have an outside chance to make a contribution.

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 8:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Interesting side note...Nick Van Exel is coaching the summer league team.

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 9:18 AM MDT reply actions  

Elton Brown was great in college. I don't think he'll be good in the NBA, though - he was never in great shape in college. He's got very good hands for a big guy and nice post moves. If he works his way into shape he could be a nice addition off the bench like "former Nugget" Leon Powe.

I liked watching Curtis Sumpter in college. Very athletic but he seemed to get worse as his career went on.

by The Virginia Contigency on Jul 9, 2008 9:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Chris Lofton can flat shoot the basketball, and boy do we need more shooters to spread the lane. He is also a very mature basketball player and a good guy.

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

Chris Lofton & Taureen Green are both good enough to be a part of your PG rotation. Green is probably not quite a good enough shooter, but Lofton would have been a lottery pick if he had left last year......

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 10:39 AM MDT reply actions  

You have to like that they got Lofton on the squad. It will be interesting to see how he does.

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM MDT reply actions  

Lofton would be a nice addition to the Nuggets, but unless AI is going to be playing only 35 mins a game, it's not going to happen. He is too short and will provide more match-up problems on defense. If we are going to get wing players, we need guys who are long and are great defenders. Also it will help if they have good shooting capability. For Bigs, we need strong guys in the post, who don't necessarily get pushed around. Also a big with range would be a tremendous asset to our team.
Granted I don't pay that much attention to college-ball too, so I'm wondering; which of these guys meet some of these requirements.

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 4:10 PM MDT reply actions  

How good is it to be Andre Miller right now? I felt sorry for him initially, but it looks like he may be on a much better team than the Nuggets next year. Miller really shined last year, I'm happy for him.

by grantarchy on Jul 9, 2008 4:14 PM MDT reply actions  

thanks for the shout out Andrew. I agree that Brown might be an interesting player to consider adding (I actually wondered why no NBA team was looking at him last year with his NBDL stats), I still think Lofton is a shooter they need to consider. Basically, I think they can deal Camby, and platoon the 5 spot (maybe add Harrison or McCoy). The primary need for this team if they can't get a true PG is shooter's and defenders at the 2 & 3 spots. I think Lofton would be an upgrade over both Green and Carter, and obviously Weems has the ability to fill the 3. DJ or BJ could also standout if they show some defensive skills and outside shooting ability.

by micb on Jul 9, 2008 6:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I can't agree with trading Camby. What do you get in return for an older often injured player? Who would start in his place? Nene can't be counted on for a full season. Camby doen't help you much offensively, but without his defense the team has no spark.

As far as the summer league goes, don't count on anyone but Weeks making the roster unless injuries take their toll.

by ejmilo on Jul 9, 2008 9:55 PM MDT reply actions  

How about including Camby in a deal to get Livingston from the clippers and maybe mobley also?

by Anonymous on Jul 9, 2008 10:24 PM MDT reply actions  

milo, it that you? Dude, trading Camby takes you out of luxury tax zone and might even give you some cap space to consider a mid-level exception. I agree that Nene is unreliable, but they're paying Hunter $3mm to sit on the bench. They could sign Harrison or McCoy or both on the cheap, and platoon the 5 spot. Basically all they need from that spot is defense and rebounding as that's all Camby really provides. I just saw that Livingston was released, he might be a combo guard to consider if he can be had cheap.

by micb on Jul 10, 2008 11:09 AM MDT reply actions  

Yikes, livingston? captain busted knee? thats a stretch. Just some hings to comment on i saw above, Taureen Green was not a first round selection by the nuggets, we traded for him from portland last year at the deadline for Von Wafer, Camby must be traded, there is no other option, i don't know why the Camby-Hinrich deal won't get done, it makes sense for both teams. Oh yeah and one other thing i saw today, the nuggets have finally actually tkaen the time out of their bust schedule of doing absolutely nothing to call mr. yakouhba diawara, i swear to god if they bring the same 12 guys out on opening night next year i will by a ticket just to boo them and every person in that stadium should boo them and walk out, the nuggets front office needs to be held accountable.

by Zachm219 on Jul 10, 2008 11:48 AM MDT reply actions  

i agree. trading camby is the best option.

if we keep him and everyone else... we lose

if we trade him and get something of value back... we might lost but we might win too

the way i see it is. trade camby we have a chance of improving. keep him. we lose anyway.


maybe trading camby to milwaukee for ramon sessions or for mo williams. add some other crap in there if possible. i duno. i'm just throwing ideas and names out there

by andrew fisher on Jul 11, 2008 12:48 AM MDT reply actions  

I think we could trade Camby w/ Philly and Charlotte. Charlotte needs a Center to play next to Okafor. Philly needs a shooter to space the floor. Send Camby to Charlotte. Charlotte sends Nazr M. to Denver, and Matt Carroll to PHilly. Philly sends Jason Smith to Denver, and Willie Green (or some other $3M a year throw in to Charlotte. Philly would probably also need a first round pick (we could send them ours or Charlottes) since they are sending out two players for one and taking on more salary.
This would get the Nuggets 2 bigs, one is young and can shooot and is athletic, the other can play some D, come off the bench and won't bitch and moan about everything (and will stay in the paint on offense and not jack 19 footers in slow motion). Also eases teh nuggets financial burden some.

by Eric B on Jul 11, 2008 10:27 AM MDT reply actions  

One other thing. Matt Moore was right - Keith Langford has been lights on in Summer league in Orlando (shooting like 70% from the floor) so he may not be a bad guy to take a look at.

by Eric B on Jul 11, 2008 10:28 AM MDT reply actions  

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