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Nuggets beat Lakers! Your summer League recap...

For the first time in eight games, the Denver Nuggets finally beat the Los Angeles Lakers. Of course, it was just the final Las Vegas Summer League game.

As readers here predicted, the Nuggets had a damn good team by Summer League standards, dropping only one out of the five games they played. And in three of those four victories, the Nuggets Summer Squaders handily defeated their opponents.

By our calculations at Denver Stiffs, the "real" Nuggets currently have nine players on their roster: Allen Iverson, Carmelo Anthony, Nene, Kenyon Martin, Steven Hunter, Anthony Carter, Chucky Atkins, Linas Kleiza and J.R. Smith (assumed to be re-signing, especially since he's not getting interest from anyone else). And unless second round draft choice (via trade) Sonny Weems was deemed a total failure in Vegas, count him in as roster spot holder #10. Therefore, including Weems the Nuggets would have five guards, four forwards and one true center (Hunter) going into training camp. Gulp.

Historically, the Nuggets have had about 12 guys going into camp assured of a roster spot, meaning that only one or two Summer Leaguers found their way into camp. But with the Nuggets parting with starting center, former Defensive Player of the Year, former NBA Finals runner-up (on a team he carried, by the way), rebounding and blocked shot specialist, veteran anchor and the only man willing to take a charge, Marcus Camby, to the Clippers for a bag of rocks (can you tell I'm not over this trade yet?) and not re-signing hustling backup forward Eduardo Najera, don't be surprised if two or three of the Summer Squaders - excluding Weems - end up in training camp.

One of those spots should go to power forward Elton Brown (pictured above), and this shouldn't even be debatable. In five Summer League games, Brown averaged 13.4 ppg on 57.8% shooting to go along with 10.0 rpg (5.4 offensive!). The Nuggets have been thin at power forward throughout the Carmelo Anthony era (hence the atrocious trade-and-signing of Kenyon Martin), and Brown finally gives the Nuggets that third forward option they desperately need.

I have no idea who the next training camp invite should go to and frankly, having not been able to watch the games, it's not fair for me to say who's in and who's out other than Brown. But going strictly by the numbers, the first name that jumps out is going to be shooting guard Dahntay Jones who a had a terrific Summer League offensively (21.5 ppg in the games when he got real minutes). All we really know about Dahntay Jones is that he's been a bust as an NBA player thus far, but maybe he has had his humble pie and is refocused.

Having actually played for the Nuggets last season, you'd have to think point guard Taurean Green and shooting guard Bobby Jones would merit some consideration, but based on the numbers alone neither had a particularly good Summer League. In 21 minutes of playing time per game, Green mustered more turnovers (2.0) than assists (1.6). And Bobby Jones, who's always been an erratic shooter (a necessity when you're the Nuggets third string shooting guard apparently), only made 41.4% of his FG attempts.

If the Nuggets have finally soured on Green and/or Bobby Jones, the long shot pick for training camp would be shooting guard Keith Langford, whom many Denver Stiffs readers predicted would be a good Summer League player. When given playing time, Langford averaged a respectable 11.8 ppg on 61.5% shooting. But at 6'4" (and I hear he's more like 6'3"), an undersized shooting guard is the last thing the Nuggets need.

It will be interesting to see who the Nuggets bring into training camp from the Summer Squad and the NBA scrap heap. We should start taking bets now: who will be this year's Reggie Theus?

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If Brown isn't signed by the Nuggets, I guarantee other teams will. I'm concerned we will not sign him... like always we always seem to sign wrong players.

And Brown will do well on whatever team he ends up with. I predict a 8 and 6 rpg stat from him. Could be more if he contributes immediately and vaulted as a starter, which he has potential of.

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by Anonymous on Jul 21, 2008 10:45 AM MDT reply actions  

The real funny part of the link Andrew gives on the JR Smith talks is that his agent is also Kwame Brown's apparently and he said that the Nugs inquired about him. Of course we did! We're the Denver Stiffs!

by Eric on Jul 21, 2008 11:09 AM MDT reply actions  

I think it's a little early to start declaring elton as starter potential. Pulling down boards in the summer league is one thing, but with the likes of Boozer, Jefferson and Oden in our division alone, I think elton might not put up such a pretty stat line. Never the less we need hustle big guys off the bench so he should at the very least be headed to training camp, he's earned that and with our need we can't afford not to invite him.

by Zachm219 on Jul 21, 2008 11:49 AM MDT reply actions  

Andrew, you're incorrect in that Camby was the only one to take charges. Najera took quite a few, but sadly, he's gone too. (is there a stat for fewest charges taken, cause I'll take the Nuggs for next year). We gotta have Brown, no discussion needed. If they don't sign him. . .I can't even think of the reasons they will offer as to why. I've said it before, not sold on Jones. He's a non-passing chucker, and we've got enough of those. Langford and Weems would probably be my other 2 off the summer league. Do they keep 14 or 15 spots? I would imagine they will still need to invite 2 more bigs to camp so they can practice.

by micb on Jul 21, 2008 1:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow, no mention of Lofton, how toolish of you.

by Anonymous on Jul 21, 2008 2:03 PM MDT reply actions  

Though it is only summer league, Brown's numbers are impressive. And usually the few players that shine end up making an impact on the real team. Hopefully we sign him.

by goldennugget on Jul 21, 2008 2:24 PM MDT reply actions  

If you include B Jones and T Green (since they'd be on the team for real cheap this year and the last two guys on the bench aren't gonna play much anyway) we've got 12 players:
3 bigs
3 PGs
Iverson
5 Wing players
With the other three spots you have to imagine that 2 of them go to bigs and one to a shooter of some sort; if they come from summer league that's E Brown and Langford with one more spot left, hopefully to be filled by a big.
Elson and Kwame Brown have both said they aren't signing for the minimum, so I would guess they won't be around. That would leave Birdman, Harrison, Pops Mensa Bonsu (although he would probably want more $ since he'll get paid in Europe) or some other D-League type (Rod Benson?) to be the last big to get a roster spot.
Healthy, that isn't a half bad roster, although its nothing too great. The nuggets also may elect to keep a spot open to be able to acquire a player with that rather large trade exception that we've heard about from the chess playing front office recently.
One thing to pay attention to would be to see if the Nuggets try to get involved in a Josh Smith, Josh Childress or Luol Deng sign and trade (atlanta would seem more likely since their ownership group would love not to pay anyone) using that trade exception. All of those would give the Nuggets another young, talented player (Childress would be cheaper and probably a better fit, although Melo JR and Josh Smith would be a freakishly athletic although sometimes boneheaded trio on the wings).
Here's to hoping somehting good happens in the next month before camps start up...

by Eric B on Jul 21, 2008 2:39 PM MDT reply actions  

zachm219, I'd agree, IF you're judging by the stats alone. But if you watch him play, he's a relentless rebounder. Both Jason Smith and Marreese Speights happened to be very good at boxing out, and they didn't give him any space.

I even saw both sort of keyed in on Brown and when a shot went up, both Speights and Smith quickly doubled on him and both boxed him out and when there seemed like there's no chance for a rebound, he tapped the ball from behind and his relentlessness just got him rebound after another. And when he boxes out, he usually gets the rebound most of the time.

- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jul 21, 2008 5:58 PM MDT reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3499645

What a travesty! You take the one guy who's been a model for your franchise and you do him like that? "Classless" as Camby put it is an understatement. Ball-less is more like it to me.

Not even a call from Coach Karl? How bush league!? I'm embarrased by the way my team handles it's business.

by Eric K on Jul 21, 2008 11:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Camby was the most overated 5 on the planet. Yea he was a good guy off the court and the FO should have called him but really if he didnt know a trade was coming he was blind. I for one am looking forward to a 5 that can actually man up another 5 instead of waiting for guards to go to the hole and and again instead of filling the lane he would just let him go to the rim and take a shot at the block. He was the most worthless DPOY ever and for him to say "They are loosing an amazing defencive talent" is beyond funny. If they guy has a problem with the team deal with it on the court quit bitching about it in the media.

by nickademus on Jul 22, 2008 12:13 PM MDT reply actions  

Just got this rumor hot off the hoop doctors, nuggets are in deep conversations to use the trade exception from the camby deal to acquire kirk hinrich in exhange for a future first round pick.

by Zachm219 on Jul 22, 2008 4:28 PM MDT reply actions  

^That would be huge for us if it happens. Hinrich will be a great fit for us and vice versa. I don't buy his struggle will snowball, he just had a down year. He will bounce back and is still 26.

I will LMAO if we get Hinrich for basically Camby, although we'd give up yet another 1st round.

- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jul 22, 2008 5:57 PM MDT reply actions  

I herd it was gordon hinrich and noah for AI and nene but its pretty clear we are doing something with the bulls.

by nickademus on Jul 23, 2008 9:57 PM MDT reply actions  

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