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The Denver Stiffs Olympic Basketball Preview...

I finally got around to watching "Road to Redemption" on NBATV tonight, and I'm fired up to talk and watch USA Olympic Basketball. I've even set my DVR recorder to tape Team USA's exhibition against Turkey at 6am MST on Thursday on ESPN2.

For those of you who haven't yet seen "Road to Redemption" - a mini-documentary about the US team preparing for the Beijing Olympics - I strongly suggest watching it. Not only does it have great on and off-the-floor footage, but it gave me a new appreciation for what Jerry Colangelo and Mike Krzyzewski set out to do with the team three years ago. And yet in spite of all their knowledge, effort, scouting, strategy, and so forth, I still think there a few glaring errors on the USA squad that could (emphasize: "could") trip us up in the Olympics beginning next week.

I've been an Olympic basketball junkie ever since they held the team tryouts at McNichols Arena in 1988. I remember watching a young Alonzo Mourning almost make the team and waiting behind Rony Seikaly in the concession area as he got a hot dog before I did (no joke, by the way). At least Seikaly gave me his autograph.

I also remember being emotionally crushed when our team of soon-to-be NBA players lost in the Seoul Olympic Games to a collection of professional aged members of the USSR squad, including Arvydas Sabonis, (former Nugget) Sarunas Marciulionis and, in the NBA's attempt to thaw out the Cold War over All-Star Weekend, eventual three-point shootout participant Rimas Kurtinaitis. I frankly don't remember if the 1988 US team faced Yugoslavia or not (we definitely didn't lose to them, the US lost just once, to the USSR), but that team featured professional European and future NBA players Drazen Petrovic, Toni Kukoc, Stojko Vrankovic, Vlade Divac and Dino Radja.

With the other countries already featuring pro players (and not wanting to lose again), the Dream Team Era began and a series of walkovers followed starting with the 1992 Barcelona Olympics and continuing with the 1994 Toronto World Championships and the 1996 Atlanta Olympics (at which I became the only person from Denver ever to watch Efthimios Rentzias play in person...also not a joke). But regardless of the fact that those 92-96 teams were just flat out better than their international counterparts, consider this: they had ample centers and shooters. Two things that none of the teams post-1996 - including the present one featuring the Nuggets' Carmelo Anthony - have had. And if there are two things you need in international basketball, it's centers and shooters.

In 1992, the original Dream Team featured centers David Robinson and Patrick Ewing to go along with shooters Chris Mullin and Larry Bird.

In 1994, centers Shaquille O'Neal and Alonzo Mourning were joined by shooters Reggie Miller and Mark Price.

And in 1996, Dream Team The Sequel featured three centers in Robinson, O'Neal and Hakeem Olajuwon and shooters Miller and Mitch Richmond.

Comparatively, the 2000 team - which was a Sarunas Jasikevicius three-point attempt that fell about one foot short away from missing the gold medal game - had the shooters in Ray Allen, Allan Houston and Steve Smith, but only one center in Mourning.

And we all know what's happened since. The disastrous 2002 World Championships team, coached by none other than George Karl, had no true center (Antonio Davis and...gulp...Raef LaFrentz had to fill in at the five spot) and finished an embarrassing sixth. That "effort" was followed by the 2004 bronze medal-winning team which didn't feature a single shooter or one true center (Tim Duncan has always been listed as a power forward, probably to preserve his All-Star Game starting steak). Personally, I'd have had both Barry brothers on the '04 team over Stephon Marbury, Richard Jefferson or Melo at that time. And the 2006 bronze medal-winning team, the nucleus from which will be participating in Beijing, also didn't feature a shooter unless you count Shane Battier, and one of the two centers was the seldom used Brad Miller.

Why are centers and shooters so important in international basketball? It's pretty obvious, but basically you need the extra centers because of the five-foul rule and the allowance for tipping in shots still touching the rim. And the shooters are a necessity to break the zones deployed by most international teams.

And yet with all the planning and attention to detail bestowed upon the current USA squad, we have a team with just one center (Dwight Howard), one pure shooter (Michael Redd) and a collection of supremely talented swing players (Melo, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade and Tayshaun Prince) and point guards (Jason Kidd, Deron Williams and Chris Paul). In theory, this roster should bring the gold medal back to the US, but I would have made the following three adjustments to virtually guarantee it...

1) Of all the swing players, Wade should be the odd man out. Forget for a second that he's one of the faces of USA Basketball. Wade has been injured for two years and with the additions of Bryant and Redd to go along with Melo and LeBron, Wade's inclusion seems unnecessary to me. I'd have preferred to see another center - Tyson Chandler comes to mind - on the team over Wade.

2) Williams and Paul backing up Kidd seems redundant. With shooting being a premium in international basketball, Chauncey Billups should have been picked over one of these two guys. With Billups you get shooting, a ball handler and defensive toughness.

3) I like the idea of a role playing defender like Prince being on the team, but I'd rather have another bruising power forward in Prince's spot. Of the guys on the Senior National Team roster, my preference would be Amare Stoudamire or even Nick Collison over Prince. I just don't see Prince getting a lot of playing time behind Anthony and James, or even Chris Bosh and Carlos Boozer.

So there you have it. We're basically going into Beijing with a more talented version of the 2004 Olympic Team but with many of the same weaknesses. This squad as presently constructed should bring home the gold, but I wouldn't be the least surprised if it doesn't.

On a side note, Denver Stiffs reader Shane has put together this roster spreadsheet showing how often and how well each member of the current USA squad plays at certain positions, according to the data we've seen at 82games.com. Thanks, Shane!

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i want the aussies to beat usa hahah but i know it ain't gona happen. but still. my country comes first. as much as i love melo, lebron, wade and cp3.

by andrew fisher on Jul 31, 2008 2:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Whatch out with Catalonia... José Calderón, Juan Carlos Navarro, Rudy Fernández, Pau Gasol and Marc Gasol - Ricky Rubio as backup.

I agree with Andrew's points about the USA Team, but I still think they are gonna bring the gold medal. Catalonia silver and Argentina bronze.

by Catalan on Jul 31, 2008 4:23 AM MDT reply actions  

No offense Mr. Andrew (not Fisher), but who cares. I guess basketball junkies concerned over how the "good ol' US of A" can put the rest of the World in its place might have an interest, but even that is redundant.

Obviously, the most talented players in the world come from the USA and IF the primary goal was to earn a gold medal in the Olympics over an NBA Championship, USA would dominate.

B to the O to the R to the I to the N to the G.

by viracocha303 on Jul 31, 2008 5:30 AM MDT reply actions  

Kobe and Deron (both better than billups as well) play a shooter role for the USA that they dont play for their own teams. The USA is still weak at centre though

by Anonymous on Jul 31, 2008 7:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Good article. Totally agree about Tyson Chandler. Would've also made sense to put alternate Mike Miller on the team.

And how about the first 7 of the Rockets? Yao, Scola, Artest, T-Mac, and Alston with Brent Barry and Battier off the bench. If they could just get a back-up big man (maybe free agent Francisco Elson?).

by The Virginia Contigency on Jul 31, 2008 8:28 AM MDT reply actions  

I'm getting an early start worrying about the next Olympic team. It seems that most USA players quit after one gold, so we start fresh each time. The current roster of 'committed' players is bound to consider their job done if they win.

by Mike on Jul 31, 2008 10:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Not really interested in the US team... That sham they ran 4 years ago was atrocious. They thru a sloppy team together and then blamed them for only achieving the bronze when the Fiba team was just as potent as the team is this year.

Duncan & AI were the only ones from that Fiba team to actually play in the olympics.. There was one other but I forget who it was. I have no real interest in them winning a gold or not. That was just atrocious how they treated that team, when it was the selection committee's fault, not selecting the right players to surround thier captains AI and Duncan.

Just my Humble opinion

by chillz on Jul 31, 2008 1:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I've watched Road to Redemption, and the games against Canada and Turkey. So far, I'm not really impressed. Neither Turkey nor Canada has qualified and USA's roster has struggled in defending the half court, and executing half court sets. The transition game is great, but that only comes from when someone gets a steal, or blocked shot. Hopefully, coach K can make adjustments so that everything runs smoothly. I really want to see USA bring home the gold, and anything less is a failure. When you have some of the best players in the world, and you can't win, that's kind of embarrassing, IMO.

by nataly on Jul 31, 2008 2:18 PM MDT reply actions  

I really think that Marcus Camby should be on Team USA. They need defense!

I also think that Allen Iverson and Kenyon Martin have gotten a really raw deal in Denver. They're great and should also be on Team USA.

My favorite player, however, is Carmelo Anthony. I think that Carmelo Anthony will score about 30 PPG in the Olympics en route to a gold medal. I also think that Carmelo Anthony will lead the Nuggets out of the first round this year. He's pretty awesome.

by Chris C. on Jul 31, 2008 2:40 PM MDT reply actions  

In other legitimate news, word on the streets is that JR Smith is very close to signing a 3-year deal to stay with the Nuggets. Good stuff there.

by Chris C. on Jul 31, 2008 4:35 PM MDT reply actions  

I kinda agree with Chris, AI was completely disrespected by K by not even sending him an invite despite AI being one of only what, 2 or 3 players to actually show up the last time?

Anyway we all know that they "should" win, but only time will tell if they will.

The current US team will most probably win on pure athleticism. Since we don't have as many consistent shooters as some of the euro teams do.

by Anonymous on Jul 31, 2008 5:49 PM MDT reply actions  

I am kind of an NBATV freak and I have seen Road to Redemption more times than I care to mention, but it is a very interesting program. I did want to see a little more behind the scenes coaching to see what coach K was teaching them because after watching the first two games it seems like we have many areas we could improve on. The first is defense. I know we beat both teams by a lot but there were some instances where it looked a little Denver Nuggetish out there, as in no defense what so ever. The other thing that worries me is Dwight Howards offensive game. I am really not a big Howard fan in the first place but that guy is about as useful on the offensive side as Melo is on the defensive side. This really limits the USA to primarily use a jump shooting attack. I would feel much more comfortable with Bosh and Howard in at the same time along with Paul, Kobe and Lebron as a starting line up. I think Kidd is useless at this point and it is a terrible move to start anyone over Paul these days. The starting line up I mentioned would leave Paul hooking up with Bosh and Howard all day long for the oop and that way it would free up Lebron and Kobe to just do their thang. To end I have got to mention Michael Redd. If we are going to take this thing that guy is going to play a much larger role than I think anyone anticipated.

by goldennugget on Jul 31, 2008 6:50 PM MDT reply actions  

Not solely for the sake of being a contrarian, but "Road to Redemption" is a pretty poor documentary look at the USA Olympics team. Its ham-fisted patriotism and essentializing of what the Olympics represent make is almost unwatchable. It's no surprise that NBA TV is airing this glossy, uncomplicated promotional film ad nauseam, but it doesn't mean anyone in their right mind should watch it.

by rauf is on fire on Aug 1, 2008 9:13 AM MDT reply actions  

Where the hell did you read that info? You know you should be saying this. I wish you were banned from a specific forum. You suck.

Chris said: In other legitimate news, word on the streets is that JR Smith is very close to signing a 3-year deal to stay with the Nuggets. Good stuff there.

by Anonymous on Aug 1, 2008 6:17 PM MDT reply actions  

You guys are crazy, Howard had a huge offensive game tonight so i think that puts the icing on those worries, and the half court defense was acceptable, kobe's was superb. USA takes gold hands down. And just remember, Billups, Garnett, Duncan, Camby, Stoudemire, all turned down invites to be a part of the program, There are plenty of hooters on this team because almost all of these players can shoot exceptionally well as is. We are thin at center, but the only teams we'll see that have centers better than bosh or boozer are china and spain, and personalyl i don't think China stands a chance and spain will be the one team in our pool do even breath the words upset before we squash them, Im not worried. Oh yeah and Jason Kidd should hands down be the starting pg, because he is a leader, a distrubutor and has no interest whatsoever in scoring

by Zachm219 on Aug 1, 2008 9:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Our defense today in the first half against Lithuania was scary good. Zach your right about kidd, its not like he even plays more minutes than Paul but he sets the tone for how a true point guard should.
I would also of liked Tyson Chandler to make the final cut but not at the expense of D-Wade, he has been an absolute beast all over the court in all 3 games so far. Maybe over tayshaun since he plays 2 minutes anyways when we are ahead by 40.
I love watching Williams and Paul on the court at the same time.

by Chaugh on Aug 2, 2008 1:00 AM MDT reply actions  

I think the two adjustments needed to be made were replacing Jason Kidd with a shooter like Ray Allen, and replacing Tayshaun Prince with another big body like Chandler. Even though Jason Kidd starts, he's clearly the third best PG on the team, and his leadership role is overrated in my opinion.

by Anonymous on Aug 2, 2008 9:03 AM MDT reply actions  

It's so ironic to watch Nuggets fans criticize Jason Kidd's placement on the team by trivializing his leadership skills. Maybe if we had Jason Kidd our players wouldn't be out drinking and driving.

by Anonymous on Aug 2, 2008 3:55 PM MDT reply actions  

I love Kidd's leadership abilities but Paul has them too and is a much better player right now. I've also been impressed with Deron Williams. He was a great pickup for this team. Anybody else notice that Melo looks to have dropped some weight. Let's see if he can keep it off for the season. It's great to see team USA take care of business. I think this is the team to take it back.

by paterade on Aug 2, 2008 7:11 PM MDT reply actions  

Oh I love Melo getting beat off the dribble by AK-47! The only actual Russia highlight showed Melo's no D...lol

by ThaAnswer on Aug 3, 2008 8:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Question, Why the HELL is J.R. Holden (arguably the best point guard NOT playing in the NBA) NOT gotten a tryout by the Nuggets?

You got to see first hand that the man can play, and he has big shot making ability.

by Anonymous on Aug 3, 2008 9:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Because Holden makes alot of money in Russia. Why come to the nba for peanuts?

by chaugh on Aug 3, 2008 11:08 AM MDT reply actions  

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