Camby's replacement: Who would you rather have?...

by Andrew Feinstein on Jul 18, 2008 1:52 AM MDT Comment 36 comments

Until proven otherwise, I'm standing by my statement that the Marcus Camby "trade" was just a salary dump, and that no larger plan is in the works. But just like getting abruptly dumped by your girlfriend (not that I would know what that's like), there's nothing you can do. Sometimes you have to just forget about it quickly and move on. Regardless of how much we complain, Camby is never coming back, nor is the first round draft choice, the young point guard, or whatever else the Nuggets should have received in the trade.

So let's put the Camby "trade" debacle behind us - at least briefly - and assess the five possible replacements/backup centers already being kicked around in the media and elsewhere.

Nene
Pro: When healthy and lean, he has the potential to be an All-Star power forward. He's remarkably quick for his size, has the wingspan of a seven-footer (and then some), terrific hands and isn't afraid to muscle his way past opposing power forwards. In many ways, he reminds me of a taller Calvin Natt. But most unfortunately, he seems to have inherited Natt's knack for getting injured, as well (let's hope he doesn't inherit Natt's desire to run a mortuary, too).

Con: With his injury track record over the past 4 seasons, he makes Camby look like A.C. (which stands for "All Christian," for the uninformed) Green. Also, Nene is generously listed at 6'11" and 250 lbs when he's more like 6'9" and 275 lbs, and has a tendency to enjoy his Brazilian off-seasons a bit too much. I mean, did any of you see Nene in last summer's Tournament of the Americas? He looked like Grimace from McDonalds.

Steven Hunter
Pro: He's legitimately seven feet tall and he's only 26. Did I mention he's legitimately seven feet tall and only 26 yet? I'm not sure what else to write about here.

Con: Hunter doesn't possess a killer instinct and easily gets pushed around in the paint. He's one of those guys you look at and say: "Wow, he looks like a basketball player!" but he just isn't. Even when he got 23 minutes a game as a 76er before coming to Denver, he averaged just 6.4 ppg and 4.8 rpg. He's essentially Kwame Brown without the anvil around his neck of being picked first in the draft.

Francisco Elson
Pro: As a recent former Nugget, Elson should be familiar with Denver's "system." He's also stated that he'd like to come back to Denver, and I always give players extra bonus points for actually wanting to be here. Also - and for no justifiable reason - I liked Elson in Denver. I thought he was an able backup center to Camby and had a good attitude. But maybe I'm just a sucker for the Dutch.

Con: Elson won a championship ring with the Spurs in 2007, but was frequently benched in favor of the tougher Fabricio Oberto. Why? Elson stays away from the basket too much. For a guy who's seven feet tall, his career FG% is .478 and he averages less than one block per game. Ugh.

Chris Andersen
Pro: Where do I start? The Birdman is a rare holdover from the Jeff Bzdelik era (as is Nene) and has long been one of the all-time fan favorites in Denver. I think this is because we see a lot of ourselves in the Birdman: if we woke up one day with the same basketball "skills" we have now, but were suddenly 6'10" and could jump out of the building, we'd probably play like Birdman, too. Andersen also hustles whenever he's on the court and his wingspan and athleticism will be needed on the defensive end in Camby's absence. Another plus, in his career Andersen has averaged 1.3 blocks per game in just 16.4 minutes of playing time.

Con: The obvious con is that Andersen hasn't been in the league long since serving over a two year suspension for violating the NBA's drug policy. It was a good sign when the New Orleans Hornets welcomed him back as soon as he was reinstated, but they're a franchise built around Christian fundamentals (even though their owner is a total hypocrite) and frequently attend church as a team (I'm not advocating for this, by the way, just explaining what they do). So I cringe a little bit when I think about Andersen partying with Melo, A.I., K-Mart and J.R. Smith.

David Harrison
Pro: Harrison is also a legit seven-footer and has Colorado ties, having played for CU in college. He's admitted to being childish in the NBA so far, but claims he's put that behind him and is willing to take a minimum salary to play in Denver.

Con: As articulated in our NBA Draft Preview, most centers drafted after the 10th pick or so are stiffs, and Harrison has been one in the NBA thus far, on and off the court. Harrison has also never gotten his weight down. I guess this happens when you smoke a lot of pot and get the munchies (an admitted cheap shot and a bad joke to boot).

In conclusion, I think its safe to assume that Nene will start at center if he physically can do so. Because even though Hunter is already under contract, as well, he's a stiff and will remain the team's number three backup center.

The real question is: who will be the primary backup center behind Nene? Elson, Andersen or Harrison? And who would you prefer to have?

Given that the Nuggets just lost their best hustle guy in Eduardo Najera and their only shot blocker in Camby, I believe bringing back the Birdman is a no-brainer here. Especially if the Nuggets want to play small, loose and fast, Andersen will be a great complement to the players already in place on offense, while altering plenty of opponents' shots and picking up a few blocks on defense. If nothing else, Andersen ups the Nuggets "entertainment value," so along with watching Rocky you won't feel totally robbed when you fork out 10% more for your season tickets.

And just for us Nuggets fans, maybe the Birdman will bring back his half-court, off-the-glass dunk from the Denver All-Star Weekend?

One can dream.

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If Nene's starting, then I'd rather have Chris Anderson backing him up. Being from Indiana I've seen David Harrison play, and he really isn't great at all. However, he is younger, so he could potentially have some up-side, but at this point Anderson seems like the better choice.

by nataly on Jul 18, 2008 2:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

andersen is my choice too. he's a good man now so i've read/heard. we need another white guy on our team. with eddy najera gone i feel linas kleiza will get lonely.

why not sign two? i mean we have lost two legit big men. eddy and camby.

why not get chris andersen and david harrison.

by andrew fisher on Jul 18, 2008 4:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Elson returning would be nice, because, living in the Netherlands, that would mean 100% of our NBA-coverage would be on the Nuggets as the Dutch media likes to think that 'Cisco is the NBA's one and only superstar. But as much as I would like to see fellow Dutchman Elson play, I'm with Bird.

I think Andersen would be a fantastic addition. His pro's are basketball-related, his cons aren't. Bringing him back would be fair to the fans after letting go of two guys who were very populair with the fans.

I say: "Birdman, come fly with us!"

by Geerten on Jul 18, 2008 6:00 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I love Chris Andersen, but how about summer league big man Elton Brown? Guy can actually play, he bangs, he crashes the boards and he has good hands, pretty good footwork, and soft touch around the rim. He can knock down free throws too.

I love the Birdman as he brings energy, and plays defense, but Brown has the potential to be better than Andersen... and imo Nene.

I hope the Nuggets do give him a serious look.

- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jul 18, 2008 7:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh and thanks for emailing me updates, Andrew :)

Appreciate it.

- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jul 18, 2008 7:27 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Birdman, always liked him. what did he play like 2-3 years for us before and he is still one of my all-time favorites. maybe it was the hair. you never knew if it was gonna be 3 foot spikes, long, or in a perm.

by Anonymous on Jul 18, 2008 7:31 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

fuck the nuggets i hope they don't make the playoffs but i hope that they trade a.i to a contender at the trade deadline and they just go to 12th place in the west while marcus camby and the clippers go to the playoffs

by Anonymous on Jul 18, 2008 7:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

carmello anthony is dumb he should some how renegotiate his contract so he can leave the nuggets in 2010like lebron and wade has but he won't do it and he like the nuggets this season will be garbage he will just waste his talent on a badteam with a horrible coach and an even worst management behind him

by Rex Chapman on Jul 18, 2008 7:56 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

i don't know how i can still be a nuggets fan with them trading marcus camby what they did basically stated that were not winning a championship any time soon so hey. Why dont the owner jus fire all of the management team because they are 4 and 20 the last 5 years in the playoffs i just hope a.i. goes to the clippers so he and camby could go on to win a championship

by stan kroke on Jul 18, 2008 7:59 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree with the suggestion that was made for Elton Brown. Since the Nuggets are now back to rebuilding, why not give someone different a shot. We already know what Elson, Andersen and Harrison (CU) can't do. At least Brown should pull down 10 boards a game and he won't demand shots on the offensive end of the floor.

by Brian on Jul 18, 2008 8:05 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I am a frickin idiot, I can't coach for crap. I quit guys!

by George Karl on Jul 18, 2008 8:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Can we not have Carmelo Anthony fans whining when the guy showed up on defense once every 6-7 games? Guy has serious winning commitment issue, but wants the Nuggets to be loyal to him... And on team USA, all of a sudden, the guy is showing his "Captain America" heart.

Maybe George Karl is not as good as coach K, maybe AI hogs the ball too much and is not a team player like the ones on team USA, but the mentality of winning within one person should never change.

This is a Denver Nuggets dedicated site, not Carmelo Anthony's. The last thing I want to see is the lazy superstar's fans whining he's wasting his career here... when what's really happening is he's wasting the Nuggets' time pretending he could be that leader for us.

- Snake -

by Anonymous on Jul 18, 2008 8:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice post as usual. I didn't know what A.C. stood for until now. If that's true, then I'm changing my name to H.J. Parcel. I'll let you figure out what that means.

by parce on Jul 18, 2008 8:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I think that the fans needs to stop going to nuggets game and said were rebuilding our trust in you guys if they can do we can do it to we need to stop going to there games and stop watching them on tv because what management did was not right they traded the only good defensive player on the nuggets for nothing. It is not fare to us we constantly support them through everything lets stop because they obviously don't want to put a winning product on the floor they have a coach that can't get the respect of his player and you have a team with guys who knows that defense is how you win championships but they don't play any why do we support them for we need to stop its fair now this year there is a good chance they won't make the players and mangement won't care because there rebuilding they can't rebuild for a long ass time with k-mart, and Nene horrible contracts. They made marcus camby the scape goat even thought he was the hardest working player on the floor for the nuggets with rebounds blocks and he even was making three's at one time, he gave everything to the nuggets and they just disrespected him just like there disrespecting us lets all stand up and not take it any more. Do you guys really think management is going to put a championship team together with a good coach and quality player by as they calim 2009 cause they have more cap space(to extend k-marts contracts) they will never win a championship and we need to get that clear they are keeping a bad coach and they are not even punishing carmello for mouthing of to the coach there is no order. Why pay for a bad product lets stop it Now!!!

by Kris on Jul 18, 2008 8:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

if we get rid of melo as all you suggest, who do we replace his scoring with? AI is not going to make up for his loss all by himself, and replacing him with some lower calibar player isn't going to match his production as far as points go. So basically we have to replace him with another all star, and which all star do you actually see coming to denver? None that I know of, since this franchise is a joke.

by Anonymous on Jul 18, 2008 8:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FiBvROW3eUY

by rex on Jul 18, 2008 9:54 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

LOL! This is hilarious!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BieL_YOzQkI&feature=related

by viracocha303 on Jul 18, 2008 10:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I do not understand the facsination with Chris Andersen. In the aftermath of the Camby trade everyone was talking about how Camby was overrated and his stats were empty. Well, Andersen is that times 10. Sure he's an athletic, high-flying white guy, but he tries to make the spectacular play every time. And he is just not that spectacular. I cant tell you how many times I remember him trying to throw down a dunk (that he had no chance to make) off an offensive rebound and missing instead of just rebounding the ball and then going back up. Or trying to block shots that he can't get to and leaving his man wide open for the offensive rebound. He legitmately cost the Nuggets points every game. Like Boykins, he was fun to watch until you start to realize that he is actually hurting the team.

On the topic, Elson is the best option. That top of the key shot that Camby got and missed like 6 times a game is right where Elson likes to shoot (and make) from.

by Joshua on Jul 18, 2008 10:16 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Andrew (above), you know Eddie was Mexican right? White he is not.

And I'd be willing to let Birdman back on the team supposing he can make the cut, but first the dude seriously needs to make ammends with his mamma. Anyone see that article on him a few months ago? SI or ESPN Mag or somethin...

Dude still has maturity issues until he can patch the wounds with his mother. It's a telling tale about where he's at in life.

Elson's a bum, Hunter's a bum, Harrison is probably a bum too, but a change of scenery for him might help. We know we're not going to get anything meaningful outta Elson or Hunter. Those are the only two I don't want in this equation whatsoever.

by Eric K on Jul 18, 2008 10:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the point here is they're not getting out of the first round anyway, so what addition will be the most entertaining? I don't think there's any question about it, the Birdman must once again take flight.

/extends arms
//flaps them
///makes bird noises

by Patchy Drizzle on Jul 18, 2008 11:21 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Elson is 32 years old and not getting any better any time soon; David Harrison is a fat pothead, which I'm okay with unless you want him on your NBA team... He also picks up about 1 foul every 4 MINUTES he's on the court (and the rate would probably be higher with the Nuggets unless they learn to keep their body between their man and the basket).
Chris Anderson is the best of those three choices, but he's not really a basketball player inasmuch as he is tall athletic and loves to jump in the air. He regularly missed rebounds and defensive assignments because he was jumping at the rim on both ends of the floor with little hope of actually getting the ball.
I think the Nuggets have to get someone new, not a retread player who has failed elsewhere (or failed here) in the past. I think Elton Brown would be a great option, mostly because he has some potential to get better and knows his place. Also, if Nene and KMart are healthy, whoever gets this job is likely to play less than 15 minutes a night, especially if Hunter plays at all and or the Nuggets really go small with only 1 big on the floor for big chunks of the game.
Other than a D-League guy I think that someone like Etan Thomas would be perfect for the role. He doesn't need big minutes, bangs in the post, gets rebounds AND is a scholarly upstanding guy off the court.
Here's to hoping the Nuggets think a little bit outside the box and don't just go for a retread who's already played here...

by Eric B on Jul 18, 2008 11:44 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

grimace? a little harsh there Andy. Anyways, as I've said before, since the scoring is basically covered, all we need to replace Camby is rebounding and a little post D. Since none of the candidate is outstanding in all catergories, I think the center position can be done by committee. Nene would be the primary option if his health holds up, with Cisco as a 2nd option, and either Harrison or Hunter as the 3rd option. Nene, Cisco and Birdman are all really 4's, but Birdman doesn't really bang down low, so he loses out. I would strongly consider Brown just based on his rebounding skills, and to back up Kmart at the 4. In reality, it probably depends on who can be signed the cheapest, so it's all up to the Triad at this point. By the way, if they need that extra roster spot, they should let Green go (team option?), he's too small and he can't really shoot, so he doesn't add value.

by micb on Jul 18, 2008 12:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

David Harrison's the way to go. I can't fully explain it, but assuming that his off the court troubles are solved (that's a major assumption), I think that he's capable of being a reasonable back-up to possible NBA starting big man. He'd bring a toughness, and someone willing to play with his back to the basket, unlike Elson, Hunter, or Anderson.

by Walt on Jul 18, 2008 4:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I say we bring in Kwame Brown for the vet's min. After all, he would only be the backup. He really just needs a place like Denver where he's not gonna get boo'ed like he did in LA. Birdman is just a show, not a b-ball player. Bring in Kwame for a look or get Elton Brown from the Summer League, kid can play.

by Jack on Jul 18, 2008 7:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

eric k

i know eddy is mexican. but tell me; what color is his skin?

in that case, we have no white guys on our team cos linas kleiza is lithuanian. all the more reason to sign chris andersen. they might think we're racist

by andrew fisher on Jul 18, 2008 7:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

First of all, Snake, you're an idiot! The ONLY reason left to even watch this team is Melo! Period. With what the management of YOUR Enver Nuggets have done this off-season, do you think anyone in the league gives a rat's ass about this team? We were in NBA Siberia for YEARS before drafting Melo. How quickly we forget. Yet now, he's the reason we ain't $hit? Melo fans know he's withering on the vine in a place like Enver. Those of us who appreciate talented players, would love to see him go to a place with a "real" coach, under "real" management, with some "real" informed fans, & watch him thrive! Enver is a two-bit NBA outpost, with a history & track record that speaks for itself! Round peg- square hole. That's Melo's predicament!

by kaisersoze on Jul 18, 2008 7:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I vote for Anderson too. Have you ever noticed the teams with the most white guys on them go furthest in the playoffs? Not to sound racist, I'm just sayin'.

by Tom on Jul 18, 2008 7:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

kaiser, didn't you see that article on dr. berri's zen approach to the nuggets? melo's stats are barely above the average small forward across the league. he ain't all that.

but he could be if he ever learned to pass when he gets double-teamed.

by Tom on Jul 18, 2008 8:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Hey sean,
It's simple- if Melo's "ain't all that", then trade him! Again, he's the ONLY reason this team is on ANYONE's radar next season. And you never answered the question- Do you remember where this team was BEFORE Melo? I pray to all that's holy, that this guy escapes from "Shawshank",I mean Enver, & makes it to a competent franchise! Then the idiotic, typically assinine Enver fan will see what they had, but didn't appreciate! Imbeciles!

by kaisersoze on Jul 18, 2008 8:32 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

what, is there some law saying melo won't underachieve just as much in the next city he plays for?

the whole point is to get the attitude towards the nuggets that lakers and yankees fans have towards their teams - if it didn't end in a championship, the season was a failure. as far as melo's concerned, his game is good enough that he doesn't have to improve it. as far as you're concerned, we should be happy with that and remember where we were before he came along?
that's a loser mentality. :P

by Tom on Jul 18, 2008 8:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Nene is the only player in this group that is a legit starting NBA center. The rest are career backups, but I'd love to see the Birdman fly again. There won't be any title hopes for the nugs in the next year or so (though I think they'll make the playoffs, whoop), so I say let's make it as fun as can be. Gooooo, Birdman.

by jonnyrad on Jul 18, 2008 8:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Go with Birdman or Elton Brown cuz the rest of that list will only make an already intolerably hard to watch season a bit tougher to take. One can only hope that GK will realize that his defensive 'ace in the hole' Camby is gone, and that he must now actually do his goddamn job.

For all of those real Nuggets fans that post here, being pissed is ok but let's not trash what the team still has left. Melo and AI are All Stars. There is a core of young talent(Melo JR LK) to build upon. And we've got the best damn mascot in the NBA... he he he

If next season is a complete bust we can watch the Broncos until late December, the Avs until March and the Rockies pick it up in April. We'll just repeat this cycle until 2010 and hope that we'll have enough cash to bring in some good role players and a F*****g center.

If all else fails OKC is only a 11 hour drive all you fake fans can jump on that bandwagon and the wheels off that bitch.

by djoel on Jul 18, 2008 11:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Sean, I agree with you about a championship being the only acceptable outcome! But you don't put together a championship caliber team, with the kind of assinine moves this FO has, & continues to make! My point about Melo is that every move they make, seems to discount utilising his talents. For example, when AI was brought in, I thought it was a good deal for the team. It seems that we were "covered" when it came to offense. The next LOGICAL move, would've been to get a defensive-minded PG to complement AI, & shore up the porous defense! Yet the best they've come up with has been Steve Blake, Anthony Carter, et al. The key to this team is overemphasis on offense, & a complete disregard of defense, as a TEAM & MANAGEMENT PHILOSOPHY! How then is Melo the key to all that? Why not get a coach that emphasizes defense? With this squad, that would do wonders! Why not acquire an adequate PG, or a 2-guard that can hit the 3 consistently? Year after year, same questions, same issues, same results! It reminds me of the Elway Broncos who finally figured out what fans had known for YEARS! Get a RB to complement the talents of Elway, & you'll get your championship(s)! Put in the "right" pieces, I have no doubt Melo can win a championship here! Granted,he hasn't always been a model citizen, but the Bball talent is there!

by kaisersoze on Jul 19, 2008 10:47 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

Use the trade exemption, along with some bad draft picks, expiring contracts and Kenyon Martin to trade for Pau Gasol.

Oh wait, the Grizzlies are the only team dumb enough to fork over a franchise player for garbage pieces.

by Anonymous on Jul 20, 2008 1:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

God some of these comments are probably better left untyped. "The team with the most white guys goes further into the playoffs"??? Thats rediculous on too many levels, not to mention the Celtics had no white guys in their rotation. Anyways the thing is Nene is as important to the team as anyone. He is big and powerful. Similar to Shaq in his prime except with a lot better offensive game. Unlike Camby he is an offensive threat in the post which will cause the lane to get clogged and in turn open up the rest of the floor for A.I. to manuver and Melo to hit jumpers. And although this is good it doesnt solve any problems defensively. But, trust Nene. Muscle/weight is entierly underrated in the league and it will show next year. Signing one of the guys mentioned won't matter even if it happens because Karl likes to do things "his way" so they probably wouldn't see any playing time anyway.

by goldennugget on Jul 20, 2008 11:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs

I'd have to go with Elton Brown as the backup, though it's a gamble. Remeber, 'Skeeta' was a summer league stud. If the nuggets were inclined to use the exception they just got for Camby, they could make a sign-and-trade offer for Okafor, who can play either the 4 or the 5. I don't know what (else)they'd offer the bobcats, or if the exception even applies to a team under the cap. Maybe we could trade Karl for Brown as part of the deal. (couldn't resist) I do think it's safe to say that this year's team will be worse, and that Iverson will be considering his options as the front office consider theirs.

by Mike on Jul 22, 2008 11:10 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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