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The Nuggets next trading partner...Detroit?...

In our offseason recap of the Marcus Camby situation, I suggested that the Detroit Pistons might be interested in the former Defensive Player of the Year should they flame out in the Eastern Conference Finals again. Well, the Pistons did in fact flame out and GM Joe Dumars has fired their coach and said personnel changes are coming this summer. Could the Nuggets be an able trading partner?

On Friday, Travis Heath at HoopsWorld threw out an Allen Iverson/Marcus Camby-for-Chauncey Billups/Rasheed Wallace trade possibility. And today, the Denver Post's Mark Kiszla is reporting that the Pistons might be interested in Carmelo Anthony (which is kind of funny considering it was Tashaun Prince's presence on the roster that prompted Dumars to pass on Melo in favor of Darko Milicic in the 2003 draft).

Meanwhile, George Karl has resurfaced from hip surgery (you sure you don't want to take a whole year off to recover, George?) to laugh off the Melo-to-the-Nets rumors while maintaining that no Nuggets player is untradeable.

I like Detroit as a possible trading partner, but not for Melo. A Billups-Iverson swap could be interesting, but only on chemistry grounds. Both players are essentially the same age (Billups turns 32 this fall, Iverson turned 33 yesterday) and are hybrid points/assist guys with Billups being closer to a true point guard, obviously. Billups is less expensive (owed $36 million over the next three seasons) than Iverson (will make approximately $45 million over the next three seasons), and is a better three-point and free-throw shooter. But Iverson is a much better scorer and can impose his will on a game, something Billups doesn't do.

But again, on chemistry grounds, you have to at least think about it if you're the Nuggets. With Iverson deferring to Melo, he's not the A.I. that we traded for. Whereas Billups is accustomed to being "one of the guys" vs. "the guy", and as a three-point threat he could expand the floor for slashers like Melo, Kenyon Martin and J.R. Smith. And of course Billups is a Denver native.

I doubt Detroit would part with Billups for A.I. unless they could ship out the troublesome Rasheed Wallace, as well. Wallace would most certainly come at the price of Camby, and unfortunately a Wallace addition would make the Nuggets locker room even more of a disaster than it already is. But it's worth thinking about and I'm sure Denver Stiffs readers will come up with other Detroit trade scenarios for us.

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Exactly, Chauncey Billups can't take over games like Allen Iverson does, but he is more of a true point guard. However, I never really saw Billups as being someone who is very passionate about the game. So, I don't think he would be a great asset to the Nuggets. Also, didn't the Pistons just give Billups a contract extension last summer? I doubt they'll be wanting to part ways with him. Plus, if they'd trade for AI, they'd have two shooting guards: Iverson and Richard Hamilton.

Anyways, as for possibly trading Marcus Camby for Rasheed Wallace isn't a great idea either. Everytime I watch the Pistons play, he seems to pick up a technical. He is a detrimental locker room type guy, so I really don't think he would mesh with the rest of the team.

On a final note, Carmelo Anthony better not be traded at all. Tayshaun Prince is a better defender than Melo is, and I doubt the Pistons would trade him considering they're known for their hard-nose defense.

by nataly on Jun 8, 2008 2:45 PM MDT reply actions  

You're all dead wrong about 'Sheed... He's getting way better with the T's, and I'd take that guy any day. He's a team leader, and extremely intelligent, not to mention, the master of the trick shot which will come in handy when... well, never but... he's also a good 3-pt threat. He's a future coach, as hard as that might be to believe by the casual fan.

But I still don't like the trade. I'd take Chauncy, but not giving up AI alone, much less with Camby in there.

by Eric on Jun 8, 2008 9:59 PM MDT reply actions  

'Sheed was the reason the Pistons won in 2004... I was living in Detroit at the time and he was what put them over the top and helped keep them in the finals hunt since he arrived.

by Eric on Jun 8, 2008 10:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Oddly enough, I really like this trade idea. As it stands now I figure the Nuggets can at least make the playoffs next season, but I doubt we beat out Utah for the division. I love AI and Camby, but this team just isn't going to break the top four in the west next year. I don't think having AI and Melo on the team was that great of an idea in the first place, and wouldn't mind shipping him off if we got a really good PG in return.

It is worth noting that Billups grew up in Denver, went to CU, and played for the Nuggets once before. I also really liked what he said about running a championship level team in Baron Davis' interview on ESPN.

Billups isn't a great shooter, but is a good PG. Wallace is very hit-and-miss, but when he is hit is very good. I also think he would fit in very well with Martin, Melo and Smith (if we resign him); though probably not in a good way.

We get two players who have won a championship recently, in exchange for two players of about equal age. If we resign Smith I think our shooting will be decent enough, and we get more defense in return.

I'm really just intrigued by the idea of having a smart PG on our team. We'd basically be getting Miller back, but with a bigger name. Then we'd replace Camby with someone who we don't laugh at when he drops back to the three.

I'm still not in favor of trading Melo at all.

by Shane on Jun 8, 2008 10:06 PM MDT reply actions  

I read recently that 'Sheed is a top bloke off the court...

What about trading Nene for Artest and Melo for Bosh? I doubt Toronto would take that though.

BTW love this site.

by Julian from Australia on Jun 8, 2008 10:42 PM MDT reply actions  

anyone else disapointed the nugs got rid of Powe after tonight's game?!?!?!?!

Mordecai

by Anonymous on Jun 8, 2008 10:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Sheed may be the main reason the Pistons won in 2004 but his disappearing act in the playoffs since then has lead to Pistons defeats. I don't think the Nuggets would want a PF that spends more time shooting 3's than playing in the paint.

by Jonny Drama on Jun 8, 2008 10:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Andrew, Iverson has one year left for 21 million, not three years for 40+ million.

I would trade Iverson for Billups in a heartbeat.

by Catalan on Jun 9, 2008 2:18 AM MDT reply actions  

I can't believe the Pistons would give up Billups for AI.It just goes the exact opposite since they're such a D-first team.For my personal affection,I want AI to leave since he could achieve nothing in DN.But I am not sure if he fits the Pistons.

Then here comes Camby.If the Pistons sign him because of his fake "Defensive Player of the Year",they must be the biggest fool of all.Anyway,someone needs to be the next victim,'cause DN has played that role for so long.

by joanna on Jun 9, 2008 7:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Don't get me started on Darko...Melo, D. Wade, Bosh...should i continue? It's an old bit here, but anytime any of these teams come to the Palace, we hear the rumblings of one of the top 10 debacles in drafting...Darko...could have had (insert which guy went after him...) Firing flip is kinda interesting. The reason we fired LB was the lack of playing the young guys, and when Joey D. was interviewed, we got the same song and dance out here...i wanted more Amir...Flip didn't follow the plan that i wanted...What i don't understand, is Joe D is the GM/President, and you can't install a little of your beliefs to Flip...ok...so now we hear "changes are coming." Well they need to...and Michael Curry our next coach...I'd rather have Rick Carlisle back...I want Avery Johnson, PERIOD...i like him...he got too much flack in Dallas. No one, and i mean NO ONE is going to win with a 7 footer like Dirk who wants to be a point guard and hangs out at the 3pt line...look what happened in the last two games of the WCFs...Sheed was being sheed hanging out firing blind 3's, when if he had got his selfish ass to the BLOCK, he could have been up 2-0 on the lakers...but that's what we get with the Atlanta Braves of basketball...imo, it's embarrassing to be to the conference final 6 times in a row, and only 1 championship...

I like the Idea of getting Melo...but i don't think you'll ever see us get rid of Chauncey (unless the price is right - obviously). I also don't think we'd get rid of him for AI...AI and Rip could not coexist, their styles demand the ball a lot, and Chauncey still top 6-7 PGs in the league (when he wants to be) and needs to be here for a bit until Stuckey can develop a bit more...and i don't think that Melo will fit here...we preach tough D, and Melo's a bit of a problem in that area...you'd almost have to hide him like the Suns do with Nash...and i agree that Sheed needs to be a part of ANY trade that we make...he's starting to really wear out his welcome here (see again the WCF performance).

If we did trade for AI, can you imagine your team...nice starting 5...i'd be jealous...

billups
jr smith
melo
wallace
nene

Athleticism in JR and Melo with incredible shooting, defense with Sheed, experience, Billups a true point guard...WOW

If we do get Melo, this is what's gonna happen

1. It's going to cost the Pistons A Lot! More than Just Chauncey...picks and more players...

2. Melo's going to want the $$$...max maybe? Our owner is a cheap one...doesn't like to use the Luxury tax...why, i don't know...i exploit it, but that Bill Davidson...

3. No defense...see above...

4. Melo likes being "the man" and Detroit doesn't really do the superstar thing...I'd like to see it, but a lot of the team and marketing strategy is build on "going to work." Blue collar kinda town, blue collar team...i wonder how the team would deal with his attitude...we did deal with Sheed, but he fell into line because of 2 things...LB, and the chance to win his first title...we've seen the downfall of sheed over the past years...don't want that again...

by mike from d-town on Jun 9, 2008 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

I love the idea of Chauncey back in Denver, but i don't really know a bout Sheed. If we did this trade Melo, LK and Sheed would all be competing for the technical fouls lead. Maybe we can just get AI for Chauncey straight up.

by Zachm219 on Jun 9, 2008 9:52 AM MDT reply actions  

seems like you all believe that a good point guard would be better than the league's 3rd leading scorer, 9th assists & 4th in steals player with more heart than the whole team.

What are you gonna do when Melo's jump shot is off? Remember the problem with everybody else's consistency? Wasn't the only consistent player on this team AI?

Good luck with that.

by Anonymous on Jun 9, 2008 6:23 PM MDT reply actions  

as a piston fan, i would never ever trade cauncey for allen "ballhog" iverson!

by Anonymous on Jun 10, 2008 4:00 AM MDT reply actions  

The more I read this,the more I love the idea...

by joanna on Jun 10, 2008 8:53 AM MDT reply actions  

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