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Ex-Nuggets vs. Current Nuggets: Who's Better?...

In light of ex-Nugget James Posey's solid NBA Finals performance, Denver Stiffs reader Kieran M. from Denver wrote me this morning with a great idea for a column: compare ex-Nuggets who are still active NBA players with the current Nuggets roster, and then compare the cost difference. After surveying every Nuggets roster since 1991-92 for players still active, I put together what I think would be the best possible actively playing ex-Nuggets team going into the 2008-09 season. I've broken down the comparison by position and will give my assessment at the end. I'm anxious to hear what you think...

CENTER - DIKEMBE MUTOMBO (free agent) VS. MARCUS CAMBY ($8 million)
Even though Denver Stiffs is advocating trading Camby this summer and Mutombo had a remarkable season (considering his advanced age) filling in for an injured Yao Ming in Houston, I think we'd all rather have Camby anchoring our defense in the middle. EDGE: Camby. Other possible active ex-Nugget centers: Mark Blount, Raef LaFrentz and Francisco Elson.

POWER FORWARD - ANTONIO MCDYESS ($6.8 million) VS. KENYON MARTIN ($14.2 million)
Believe it or not, McDyess has been much more durable than K-Mart as of late. Since joining the Pistons four seasons ago, McDyess has appeared in 77, 82, 82 and 78 games while averaging 8.6 points and 6.5 rebounds per game, compared to K-Mart appearing in 70, 56, 2 and 71 games while averaging 13.6 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. EDGE: Even if you consider McDyess's lower salary, better health and excellent character. Other possible active ex-Nugget power forwards: Juwan Howard, Joe Smith and Reggie Evans.

SMALL FORWARD - JAMES POSEY ($3.4 million) VS. CARMELO ANTHONY ($14.4 million)
A no-brainer in favor of the current Nugget, Anthony. Even in spite of Posey's evolution into the new Robert Horry by routinely making big three-point shots and playing tough, occasionally dirty defense on the NBA's biggest stage, he's no Anthony. EDGE: Anthony. Other possible active ex-Nugget small forwards: Chris Andersen and Ryan Bowen. Not exactly tough competition!

HYBRID GUARD - CHAUNCEY BILLUPS ($11 million) VS. ALLEN IVERSON ($22 million)
Since neither Billups or Iverson are pure point guards or pure shooting guards, I'll call them "hybrid guards." This is actually a tough call. Iverson is undoubtedly a better player statistically, but Billups is a proven winner having been to six-straight conference finals, two NBA Finals and being a former NBA Finals MVP who has more game-tying and/or game-winning shots on his resume than Iverson. In all likelihood, Billups probably benefits from being a better fit on a very talented team than Iverson does on his very talented team, but Billups costs $11 million less. EDGE: Even. Other possible active ex-Nugget hybrid guards: Earl Watson, Bobby Jackson, Earl Boykins and Greg Buckner.

POINT GUARD - ANDRE MILLER ($10 million) VS. ANTHONY CARTER (free agent)
Another no-brainer, but this time in favor of the ex-Nugget, Miller. Carter took a lot of heat last season from the readers of this blog, but it wasn't his fault that head coach George Karl forced a backup point guard into the starting role. Miller was a perpetual over-dribbler during his stay in Denver, but after seeing his success in Philadelphia and watching A.I. routinely over-dribble himself, I blame Karl for this (no surprise). EDGE: Miller. Other possible active ex-Nugget point guards: Steve Blake, Jeff McInnis and Carlos Arroyo.

BENCH - EX-NUGGETS ($46.3 million) VS. CURRENT NUGGETS (approx. $25-30 million)
If I had to select seven top actively playing ex-Nuggets for the bench, I'd go with Steve Blake, Earl Watson and Bobby Jackson at guard, Reggie Evans and Joe Smith at forward, and Mark Blount and Raef LaFrentz at center. The current Nuggets bench situation is a bit up in the air. We still don't know for sure if J.R. Smith is coming back (but we're assuming so), and we're even more unsure about Eduardo Najera. Likely to be back in Denver will be Nene, Linas Kleiza, Chucky Atkins, Stephen Hunter and whomever the Nuggets draft at month's end. But even assuming the Nuggets re-sign Smith and Najera, their current bench cost will remain significantly less than their ex-players' bench cost. EDGE: Current Nuggets.

So the total cost of the actively playing ex-Nuggets comes to about $80 million (LaFrentz's $12.7 million contract sure is a doozy!) whereas the current Nuggets roster is projected to be about $85 million. Given the negligible cost difference and the current Nuggets clearly winning out at small forward, center and off the bench, the overall edge goes to the current Nuggets.

But it sure would be nice to have those high character / tough defenders like McDyess, Billups, Mutombo and Posey back!

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I'd love Andre Miller back playing with AI, Melo, JR, K-Nart and Nene. He'd average 15 assists a game with our style of offense!

Reckon we could get him back?

What if we traded Camby and Linas Kleiza and some picks (if necessary )

FOR

Andre Miller and Jason Smith...

I'm pretty sure that financially it works...

and Nene and Jason Smith are brother in laws if I'm not mistaken too!

What do you guys think?

by andrew fisher on Jun 17, 2008 6:42 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

isn't this like determining who is the tallest midget in the circus?

by patrick t on Jun 17, 2008 9:06 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

i Used to play this game to, about 8 years ago on the video game version of NBA. I would always select the Nuggets as my team, as I was too loyal to select any other teams. But they were way too crappy to win, as you all know. This is prior to Salary cap in video games. I would trade for all the former Nuggets, and it was a damn good team. Rodney rodgers, Antonio McDyess, Nick van exel, Mutumbo and I forget who else I used to bring in. Video Game Nuggets with all the great players we traded away back put together a real nice team.

-Mordecai

by Anonymous on Jun 17, 2008 9:09 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Man i miss Steve Blake, only spent a half a year with us but damn the guy could pass. Instead we got chucky atkins. DAMN YOU NUGGETS FRONT OFFICE!

by Zachm219 on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

P.S. I'm not sure i give up so much for Dre (beign the self proclaimed Kleiza lover I am) but also being a 100% Ram i would love to see Jason Smith back in Colorado

by Zachm219 on Jun 17, 2008 10:26 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take McDyess over Martin. I think the Nuggets were right in trading him since he lost a knee, but Martin is just not that good. Overpaid, bad defense, and can't hit a jumper. McDyess is a gamer on defense and can make jumpers.

I'll also takes Billups over AI because Billups is among the best defensive guards in the league and Iverson is among the worst defensive guards in the league.

If you could somehow magically swap AI and Martin for Billups and McDyess, then I certain think it would make the Nuggets better and not just even.

by Victor on Jun 17, 2008 1:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I think having Andre Miller / Chauncey Billups at the point would help the Nuggets a lot. I think it's funny though, how some people keep saying they prefer Billups over Iverson. Iverson averaged 7.2 assists to Billups 6.8 during the regular season. Though, Iverson may turn the ball over more than Billups, and take risks on defense, I WOULD still take Iverson over Billups any day.

Andrew, here's the latest news on Carmelo Anthony's legal status as well. http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9604737?source=rss

by nataly on Jun 17, 2008 4:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow this was a great read. It really reminded me of how atrocious the Karl is to me. With the talent this guy has he should have won the title this year and continued to for the next few years as well. What a disgusting person to waste away so many good years of his players. But again a good article.

by Anonymous on Jun 17, 2008 5:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

First of all, CURRENT NUGGETS.

Second, we need to get Posey back cuz:

JAMES POSEY is the new ROBERT HORRY.

He did it with the Heat and now he did it with the celtics.

WE NEED TO GET POSEY BACK!!!!

by NoYPi on Jun 17, 2008 10:47 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

To Zachm219

I agree with you, but i don't think Linas can be productive and develop on a team full of scorers like Melo, JR and AI. JR was the best performer this offseason i believe. If JR is already coming off the bench, and working that role well, I have doubts whether Linas can fit into a consistent role on the team.

My one query with that trade i mentioned before is whether Philly would buy it. It would hand over PG duties to Louis Williams but would they want Linas Kleiza?

Meh I dunno. I'm just bored. The seasons over. What am i gonna do for 4 months! haha

by andrew fisher on Jun 18, 2008 2:05 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you as well andrew. Kleiza will never see his full potential backing up marshmelo. That's one of the reasons i'm not opposed to trading Melo is because i think kleiza could be good enough to start. How about this, AI and MElo to the Bulls for the #1 pick straight up
PG- Rose
SG- JR
SF- Kleiza
PF- Nene/Martin (whoever decides they want to play this season)
C- Camby

ehhhhh it's not a bad lineup right, could win a championship in like 2011 or something

by Zachm219 on Jun 18, 2008 8:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach gets the award for dumbest post. Congratulations! Kleiza will never be a star in this league or even a starter. He scored 41 against Utah because no one was covering him. Oh and his D is run into the other player. Foul him or watch him go by. That and you can't trade 30 million plus in salary for a draft pick. Plus that lineup wouldn't make the playoffs by 2011.

by Anonymous on Jun 18, 2008 9:13 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Current. Everyone just stop thinking 'trade'. Melo has proved to be coachable as well as A.I., and most of the players on the roster for that matter. NO TRADES. Just oust Karl. I wouldn't want him coaching my nephew's pee wee league team. He just stays on the bench, showing no emotion, calling no plays. That only works for Phil Jackson because he only coaches teams with a legend on the starting line up. Karl is a poor excuse for a coach. Is Avery Johnson still looking for job? I'd rather deal with his annoying voice at the helm than GK's nonchalant approach to the game.

by Djoel on Jun 18, 2008 12:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

i think the nuggets should trade camby or martin, kmart wont be traded because he is so overpaid but camby maybe, he takes too many dumb shots at the top of the key and is soft inside, he cant post up any center in teh nba, nene would fill his spot great and maybe they will pick up a good solid point guard

by jose on Jun 19, 2008 8:50 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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