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2008 NBA DRAFT PREVIEW: Who will be the next Denver Stiff? (Part 1 of 2)...

Who knew that getting caught watching classic NBA Drafts by your girlfriend would be worse than getting caught watching porn?

NBATV has been running classic drafts all day/night, and I was in the middle of watching the 1996 NBA Draft with John Calipari justifying why his Nets just drafted Kerry Kittles over Kobe Bryant when the GF popped her head into my home office. "What are you watching?" she asked with a look of suspicion on her face. "Um, the NBA Draft from 1996," I replied. She then just nodded in a trance-like state and vacated the room before the Mavericks drafted Samaki Walker.

Awkward.

Anyway, the 2008 version of the NBA Draft is on Thursday (5pm MST, ESPN) and I can't wait. Like the NBA Draft Lottery and All-Star Weekend, I'm a total sucker for the draft. In fact, I'm missing an annual college alumni event on Thursday just to watch it live. Even in this era of DVRs, there are certain sporting events you still have to watch live, like big playoff games, the NBA Finals and of course, the NBA Draft. It's just not the same unless you have your friends calling with comments like: "Who the f--k is Efthimios Rentzias and why the f--k hasn't Bernie been fired yet?!!" within seconds of making a pick.

And unlike recent years (2006 and 2007), the Nuggets actually have a pick this time, the 20th (past picks were traded to the Nets and 76ers for Kenyon Martin and Allen Iverson, respectively). In addition, this will be the debut first round draft selection by the Nuggets current management regime of Mark Warkentien, Bret Bearup and Rex Chapman, so their eye for new talent will be put to the test.

I'm breaking up our Draft Preview into two parts. This first part will focus on past NBA Drafts to give some historical context to what the Nuggets could expect to see available and how to play their cards right. In the next post (coming before Thursday's draft), we'll look at who the Nuggets are or should be considering for their selection. While I'd love to do an entire post on the Nuggets draft history, those who follow this blog know that I've thoroughly dissected all the hits and misses in my breakdowns of the Bickerstaff, Bristow, Issel, Vandeweghe and Warkentien / Bearup / Chapman Administrations, and we don't want to go through that painful walk down memory lane again.

Going into Thursday, I first looked at the past 20 NBA Drafts (the modern era, if you will) and who was drafted in the 18-24th pick range. There are way more misses than hits, but the hits include talented guys with notorious off court problems like Rod Strickland, Jayson Williams (before he was killing limosine drivers and shooting dogs at point-blank range), Latrell Sprewell, Zach Randolph, and current Nugget J.R. Smith, international steals like Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Andrei Kirilenko, Nenad Krstic, Sasha Pavlovic and some players that have been integral on NBA Championship teams like Brian Shaw, "Eddie" "star" Rick Fox, Sam Cassell, Michael Finley, Derek Fisher, former Nugget James Posey, Tayshaun Prince and Rajon Rondo.

And, of course, some of the biggest stiffs in Nuggets history were drafted - although not necessarily by Denver - in the first round after the 18th pick, such as Jerome Lane, Anthony Cook, Kevin Brooks, Mark Randall, Ervin "Don't Call Me Magic" Johnson, George Zidek, Efthimios Rentzias, Priest Lauderdale, Mamadou N'Diaye, Donnell Harvey and Julius Hodge. Moreover, it seems like the players the Nuggets drafted in this range who actually panned out ended up doing so when they were no longer Nuggets, like Bobby Jackson (drafted for Denver by Seattle), Posey, Jameer Nelson and Jarrett Jack.

But as noted above, an astute GM can find good value with the 20th pick if he knows what he's doing and abides by the following four rules...

Rule #1: Stay away from centers in the back of the draft.

By my accounting, in 20 years only four decent centers have been drafted in the first round from the 20th pick onward: Vlade Divac in 1989, Elden Campbell in 1990, the Big Z in 1996 and Brendan Haywood in 2001. In fact, an entire landfill could be filled up with the corpses of bust centers like Cook, Duane Causwell, another "Eddie" cast member in Dwayne "My Name is Ivan!" Schintzius, Alaa Abdelnaby, Stanley Roberts, Elmore Spencer, Geert Hammink, Zidek, Loren Meyer, Lauderdale, Travis Knight, Leon Smith, Jake Tsakalidis, N'Diaye, Pavel Podkolzin and David Harrison (and I'm sure I missed a few).

Rule #2: Don't get seduced by the "best athlete available" argument.

Most teams drafting late in the first round - like the Nuggets in 2005 - made the playoffs, so they go into the draft willing to gamble on "raw talent" with "big upside" (anyone who has watched the draft should be familiar with Jay Bilas' buzz words by now). But history tells us this is a flawed strategy, and the Nuggets themselves have paid the price for drafting this way (see Brooks, Kevin and Hodge, Julius). Consider the case of Hodge specifically. Had the Nuggets drafted for what they really needed - a backup "big man" for the oft-injured Kenyon Martin, Nene and Marcus Camby - Jason Maxiell or David Lee might be Nuggets right now.

Rule #3: When in doubt, draft a power forward who played at least three years in college or somewhere overseas.

As Denver Stiffs reader Derek S. in Denver pointed out to me in an email, there's been a slew of good-to-great power forwards over the years who have been neglected in the earlier part of the draft. I did some research going back to 1988 and came up with this list of NBA-ready (due to them staying in college or playing professionally overseas) power forwards who were selected late in the first round (or even in the second round) during that 20 year span: Clifford Robinson (36th pick overall), Jayson Williams (21st), Antonio Davis (45th), P.J. Brown (29th), Kenny Thomas (22nd), Krstic (24th), Carlos Boozer (34th), Luis Scola (55th), Anderson Varejo (30th), Maxiell (26th), Lee (30th), Ronny Turiaf (37th), Paul Milsap (47th), Leon Powe (49th), Carl Landry (31st) and even "Big Baby" Glen Davis (35th).

Rule #4: Put a premium on character and work ethic.

At the end of the day, a terrific college player with a tireless work ethic and solid character will figure out a way to be a productive NBA player, even if he's deemed "undersized" for his position by the draft pundits. Most of the power forwards listed above would fit this description, as do other late round or second round steals. Notable names on this list include Shaw, Fox, the late Bobby Phills, Cassell, Bryon Russell, Finley, Eric Snow, Fisher, Jackson, Posey, Eddie House, Michael Redd, Gerald Wallace, Gilbert Arenas, Earl Watson, Prince, John Salmons, Josh Howard, Jason Kapono, Luke Walton, Steve Blake, Kyle Korver, Nelson, current Nugget Linas Kleiza and Jordan Farmar.

Drafting players in professional sports is hardly an exact science, and it's easy for armchair GMs such as myself to look back in hindsight at what should have been. But if you look at the teams that have been most successful in the latter part of the NBA Draft recently, such as the Lakers, Pistons, Jazz and Spurs, they generally abide by the four rules stated above. So when we look at who might be our newest Nugget going into Thursday, we'll apply the four rules above and make a few recommendations. After all, the last thing we need is another stiff on our roster!


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To suggest that the Nuggets 'missed' on Maxiell or Lee is ludicrous. Those players were missed by nearly everyone. They were second-rounders. Had they taken either one of those guys, it would have been absurd at the time.

And the Nuggets' biggest need at the time wasn't a PF. It was shooting. They didn't lose to the Spurs because they didn't have enough big men. They lost because Carmelo Anthony struggled to score and nobody else could pick up the slack. Having Maxiell wouldn't have helped that team. There was no way to predict Nene and Kenyon would face the amount of injuries they have faced.

ARR

by Anonymous on Jun 24, 2008 1:22 AM MDT reply actions  

To 'Anonymous'

You're an idiot. MAxiell and Lee were first rounders (Max went 26 and Lee 30) and Andrew's point was just that you don't settle for "best talent" because you end up with nothing like Hodge. Also Nene missed 27 games that year, Camby missed 16 and KMart had injury problems before he became a Nugget......

by Maxie Miner on Jun 24, 2008 1:34 AM MDT reply actions  

as long as we don't bust again. what are the chances the nuggets will trade the pick anyway. probably for some aging vet.

by andrew fisher on Jun 24, 2008 7:53 AM MDT reply actions  

Maxie and ARR, you're both right. Both were first rounders, but ARR is right in that we were definitely looking for a long distance shooting threat.

Another thing, Hodge was a senior if I recall, and I think he had a pretty good track record as a citizen. Him getting shot was a freak accident I think (well, I'm not sure if he was spraying champagne on anyone or not as seems to be the popular idiotic thing to do these days).

But I personally would have been ecstatic if we would have landed Maxiell. Lee, I didn't see coming. But being a Cincy fan (in general because I'm from Ohio) I follow the Bearcats and knew Maxiell was the dog to get.

Oh well, here's hoping we land DJ White, who seems to fit Andrews #3 quite nicely, and that Chucky Atkins can stay healthy, because he's the 3 point threat we were hoping to have last year.

by Eric on Jun 24, 2008 7:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Actually the Nets WANTED to draft Kobe, but him and his agent threatened to play in europe if they drafted him because they wanted to play in a big US market. The Nets needed a shooting guard and therefore took Kerry Kittles.

by Anonymous on Jun 24, 2008 10:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Whatever happened to Part 2 of 2 for the Greatest NBA Season ever?

by Anonymous on Jun 24, 2008 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

You know, one of the worst offseasons'/drafts i think the nuggets had was 04' We decided that year that we'd rather have andre miller and earl boykins than Gilbert Arenas and Corey Magette and then we actually drafted Jameer Nelson but immediately traded him to Orlando for a future first round pick which we used in the K-Mart trade and then for the grand finale we gave him a booooooat load of cash, also gave up our own future picks as well. I think the nuggets front office, one which i have been especially critical of, has a chance to redeem themselves through their first real draft, We've been terrible at the draft for decades, the only decent pick, only one was Melo, who fell into our lap and as we now know was not the best player available at that time, think about it wouldn't we all rather have D-Wade than Melo

by Zachm219 on Jun 24, 2008 11:58 AM MDT reply actions  

Sorry my mistake, the Andre Miller and Earl Boykins/Maggette, Arenas was 03' not 04', which interestingly enough Marc Stein of ESPN , as the best of the league, and touted the nuggets for their landing of K-mart and Greg Buckner, also loved the bloated contract we gave camby and the fact we held onto Voshon Lenard. He predicted the nuggets as a top 4 team in the west, we actually ended up seventh but just 3 games out of 3rd

by Zachm219 on Jun 24, 2008 12:09 PM MDT reply actions  

The New York Post has a comment about the nets in competition with another team for Camby. They mention draft picks, so it would have to happen before the draft. Anyone see or hear anything about this possible trade?

by Ted on Jun 24, 2008 12:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Make a Blog About Why The Nuggets Need To Resign J.R Smith

by Kris on Jun 24, 2008 12:38 PM MDT reply actions  

To "Kris". Read This about JR SMITH:

http://www.denverstiffs.com/2008/05/nuggets-offseason-jr-smith.html

by maxie miner on Jun 24, 2008 12:41 PM MDT reply actions  

All the guidelines make sense but I noticed the omission of drafting for need - which is probably an obvious rule that gets trumped by the "best athlete available" argument. I don't think our biggest need is a perimeter shooter (it's a need just not the biggest), it's a big man who can defend and has a post game. The anti-Camby.

I see Jevale McGee and Jason Thompson show up on some mock drafts for us which aren't going to push us over the top but at least they give us another big to use after we fire Karl (who'll never play a rookie any minutes).

I don't see any combo guards filling our PG needs. Chalmers is just this year's version of Taurean Green.

Interested to see what your recommendation is.

by Haig on Jun 24, 2008 12:58 PM MDT reply actions  

No. NO. No!!! Don't you people get it? It's all Melo's fault! I D wade was on this team, with the "talent" that team management has given him, we'd be winners by now! Trade Melo, for a high pick in this draft! I have faith that this will be the year they finally get it right! It's ALL Melo's fault!

by Anonymous on Jun 24, 2008 6:33 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice rules to draft by. They seem legit. One I always go by is a cool name. Sounds like a joke but I am dead serious and so is Bill Simmons from ESPN.com who claims you should "never underestimate the value of a great name". I like Chris Douglas-Roberts(you can't go bad with a double name), Maurice Speights, and DJ White. But not just because of the name, it just so happens that those really are my favorites for our pick.

by Goldennugget on Jun 24, 2008 6:41 PM MDT reply actions  

PG or bust in this draft.

by Chris C. on Jun 24, 2008 8:35 PM MDT reply actions  

Anyone else baffled that the Nugs made a move for the slam dunk champion (Weems) instead of the All-American (CDR). This appears to be another classic example of NBA front office ineptitude. I hope I’m wrong but CDR’s drop to the second round reminded me of Carlos Boozer, do these NBA executives even watch college basketball? Douglas-Roberts was a prime time player on one of the nation’s top teams, but we got the slam dunk guy, am I supposed to be excited?

by Anonymous on Jul 1, 2008 8:48 PM MDT reply actions  

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