Reviewing the Melo trade rumors proposed by DenverStiffs.com readers...
by Andrew Feinstein on May 23, 2008 1:01 AM MDT
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Even though Carmelo Anthony's agent claims that the Nuggets told him Melo isn't being shopped, the rumors won't die down until either a) Nuggets management officially says so or b) Melo shows up at October's training camp in a Nuggets jersey.The consensus among the readers of DenverStiffs.com seems to be that the Nuggets shouldn't trade Melo unless the ideal trade comes along and - as stated when I compared trading Melo to the Warriors C-Webb trade in 1994 - I concur with this assertion.
That being said, it didn't stop DenverStiffs.com readers from suggesting some creative potential Melo trades all week. Most of these would never, ever happen, but at least our readers are demanding good talent in return (compared to the Denver Post's Woody Paige suggesting the Nuggets trade Melo, Marcus Camby and Linas Kleiza to the Nets for Nenad Krstic...which I'm still hoping was just a typo in the paper because that would be the worst trade in NBA history).
I'm only including trades that could potentially work within the confines of the salary cap, such as...
...frequent DenverStiffs.com commenter "j2y2k3" proposed sending Melo, along with Marcus Camby, to Milwaukee for Michael Redd, Charlie Villanueva, Andrew Bogut and Ramon Sessions.
...reader Chad suggested sending Melo/Camby to Philadelphia for former Nuggets point guard Andre Miller, Andre Iguodala and their first round pick. Or, sending Melo/Camby to the Clippers for Corey Magette, Elton Brand and Shaun Livingston.
...a lot of readers pitched Chicago trades. Chris in Denver proposed sending Melo/Kleiza to Chicago for Ben Gordon, Luol Deng and Kirk Heinrich. Meanwhile, Zachm219 suggested sending Melo/Camby to the Bulls for Kirk Heinrich, Deng and Thomas. And I also saw a few comments throwing Drew Gooden into the deal.
...reader Eric K. came up with the most creative deal of them all. He suggested shipping Melo and another Nugget or two to Washington for Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison.
My take? I'm still disgusted by the whole proposition of trading Carmelo Anthony simply because those "above" him are incompetent. Thanks to the Nuggets' troika of management ineptitude, the organization is run with zero accountability which only makes potentially bad character guys like Melo into bad character guys. Moreover, by taking games and practices off, the coach no longer commands the respect of the players and clearly lost the team in the playoffs this year.
Unless I hear a trade proposal that actually makes sense, I can't endorse trading Carmelo Anthony. If the Nuggets were managed and coached by anyone who actually knew how to win a championship, I could give them the benefit of the doubt. But given who's running our team, shouldn't the talk of an overhaul be done at their level rather than on the roster itself?
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by andrew fisher on May 23, 2008 7:38 AM MDT reply actions
Leave Melo alone. He's still an elite player and there's plenty of elite players who have suspect defense. You just need to surround him with players that compliment his strengths and weaknesses. The FO needs to acquire a more defensively compentent backcourt and some bigs who can rebound well and set picks.
by Haig on May 23, 2008 11:14 AM MDT reply actions
One of the reasons why Phil Jackson and Red Auberach were the best coaches in NBA history is because they were able to design systems that fit their players strengths. If you watch enough games you know Carmelo's strength is in the post, AI could play PG a lot better if you run pick and rolls with K-Mart and Nene. JR Smith has a scorers mentality, that's not gonna change, he would function best if they used him the same way they use Hamilton in Detroit; setting screen after screen so he can get open shots or drives to the basket.
On defense, the nuggets players all have good foot speed, but they gamble way too much, as much as I love going for steals, the fact of the matter is if you stick to your man aggressively you will be able to force enough turnovers, just like the celtics do.
by Anonymous on May 23, 2008 12:21 PM MDT reply actions
How about Magette for Melo, straight up. That is a more reasonable trade.
Fine, I'll throw in some Brevin Knight or Dan Dickau, your choice denver fan.
by Matt C on May 23, 2008 12:22 PM MDT reply actions
by Zachm219 on May 23, 2008 1:41 PM MDT reply actions
Anyway, I must officially contend that I don't think we should trade Melo at all, but if you have to, getting Agent 0 in return is probably the most palpable option IMO.
But Melo and Camby are not the problem with the Nuggets. Those are the two guys who need to stick... Camby IMO, is the cornerstone and face of this franchise. The true pro, good in the community, unselfish on offense and a great help defender. To insinuate that we need to move him is ludacris.
AI? Not so sure.
But what it really boils down to is that either Melo or AI need to make a conscious decision to change their expectation of their role on this team. We can't have two shoot-first all-stars and think that the equation will work.
In the ideal (la-la land - but I don't mean Los Angeles) world, I would trade AI for a guy like Steve Nash... straight up. Then you've appeased Melo, you can move JR to SG, and Nash can dime them up all night all season long. Does this solve the defensive issue? No, but it solves the alpha dog issue.
To me, the way to solve the defensive issue is that our "trioka" of management REALLY needs to do their research and homework. I say take a chip like Kleiza and shop him for a stout defender, either at the 2 or the 3 or the 4... whatever you can get. Ideally the 2. Who is this player? I have no friggin idea, but that's not my job to discover. Just get a guy who can D-up on the ball. Pressure as the ball comes up the court and a good help defender.
I personally like Camby and K-Mart/Nene defending the post. And Kleiza is a great chip to have in that a team looking for offensive starting or bench presence with a defensive minded guy they would be willing to part with makes a deal that makes this team better.
by eric k on May 23, 2008 2:55 PM MDT reply actions
CAMBY+HUNTER ---- MARK GASOL + MIKE MILLER
JUST FOR FUN :)
by Muse Favor on May 23, 2008 9:07 PM MDT reply actions
and the memphis one sounds good but the griz wouldn't agree to that ever. camby is old. and mark gasol is meant to be good
melo, camby, atkins
for
gerald wallace, raymond felton, matt carrol
by andrew fisher on May 23, 2008 9:41 PM MDT reply actions
You said Iverson isn't worth $20 million? After watching that Nuggets team this season I can think of about four or more players on that roster before Iverson that aren't worth the money they are paid. So please give it a rest.
erik k,
Bottom line, Carmelo and Iverson BOTH need to take a look at what more they need to sacrifice and add to their games for the better of their team. People can't just expect for a player like Iverson to make all the sacrifices and come in and help make that team better, then turn around and not want to give Carmelo any of the responsibility..yet want to call him the 'franchise player'. Give me a break, they both need to make the sacrifices and BOTH need to try to make their teammates better.. not 'either/or'. Its just as simple as that. And untill Carmelo learns and tries to be a more complete player and tries to also get his teammates involved, it doesn't matter who you bring in on that team. I have been watching the Nuggets since before Carmelo even came and I am starting to see a trend that I don't like. People around the Internet are starting to see it. I'm not too much of a brinwashed fan to point out the fact that regardless of who comes to that team there is a trend, they don't get out the first round. They tried it with a pure PG in Andre Miller and tried it with a great basketball player in Iverson. So when are the excuses going to stop? I would understand the worship if Carmelo and Karl if they were even able to win two games in a playoff series, but only 3? And they are playing with players (Camby, Iverson, Kenyon) that have won multible playoff series, yet can't seem to get over the hump. Hmmm.Its getting ridiculous now and i'm tired of making excuses, if Carmelo comes back next season with the same lackluster effort that he put up at times this season, he can pack his bags and leave. And if that organization doesn't make an extra effort to put the proper players with Iverson and Carmelo (because face it, they are both going to be on the Nuggets next season), then that organization deserves whatever they get at this point. If Coach Karl has lost his will and passion, then he should retire and give another Coach a chance to Coach this team and not waste all this talent.
by Anonymous on May 23, 2008 11:13 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 24, 2008 12:24 AM MDT reply actions
I would love a starting lineup of AI, JR, Josh SMith, Kenyon and Nene (hopefully healthy)
Our bench would be terrific: Childress, Najera, M. Williams (don't worry he has big time talent should take Kenyon or Nene's place by the 20th game of the season) and Kleiza.
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