The possible Melo trade: Is this really the BEST we can do?...
The rumors are continuing to swirl about a possible Carmelo Anthony/Marcus Camby trade to the New Jersey Nets for Richard Jefferson, Marcus Williams, Keith Van Horn's corpse and what will probably be the 13th pick in this year's NBA Draft.As I've stated on this blog ad nauseum, while I'm not convinced that parting with Melo is the right thing to do, IF the Nuggets decide to make that move, shouldn't they at least field...I dunno...more than one @#$%& offer?! Are you telling me that the Nets would be the only team with a lottery pick motivated to get Melo?!
Did Bernie Bickerstaff take over as GM again and the Nuggets forgot to tell anyone? To Stanley Kroenke, Mark Warkentien, Bret Bearup and Rex Chapman: if you're reading this, I implore you...please, please, please wait a few weeks for the offers to come in and then take the best one. You see, it's called "leverage"...something the Nuggets haven't used to their advantage in, well, forever.
On a side note: isn't it interesting that Jefferson - the son of Christian missionaries and by all accounts a super nice, religious guy - got himself entangled in a misdemeanor assault case this year and now he's on Warkentien's radar? I guess RJ was just getting ready to fit in with his new Denver teammates.
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by Anonymous on May 19, 2008 1:20 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 19, 2008 1:23 PM MDT reply actions
The King and Melo in 2010 in Brooklyn!!!! Kiki is going for exec. of the year already.
Andrew http://www.shouldnthavetradedmelo.com is still available.
Kevin
Portland, OR.
by K on May 19, 2008 1:26 PM MDT reply actions
by j2y2k3 on May 19, 2008 1:32 PM MDT reply actions
by Chip Crain on May 19, 2008 1:49 PM MDT reply actions
This is YOOOOOOOUUUUUURRRRRRR Denver Nuggets!
by Kieran on May 19, 2008 2:15 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 19, 2008 2:33 PM MDT reply actions
by KenoshaKid on May 19, 2008 2:38 PM MDT reply actions
by Harris on May 19, 2008 2:49 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 19, 2008 2:58 PM MDT reply actions
1. The most important of all is this trade gives us extra cash, in the neighboorhood of 7 million
2. Jefferson play defense and wouldn't try to be the star of the team
3. With the thirteenth pick (assuming they get the worst end of the lottery, right now new jersey is odds on to make the tenth pick) the nuggets take Russel Westbrook, 6-4 Point guard out of UCLA, he's a pass first hard working guard who can play defense and still has scoring ability.
4. With the 20th pick you hope Donte Green slides and you can get him if not take Nikola Pekovic out of Serbia, he's a good post scorer and scrapper around the basket.
Rotation: With this the nuggets could have a starting five of: AI, J.R., Jefferson, K-mart and Nene, you take J.R. out first and put in Kleiza, then you pull out either Nene or Martin and put in either Green or Pekovic, Then pull Martin or Nene, whoevers left and put in Krstic, then you give AI a break put in westbrook and put JR back in and pull Kleiza, Then AI comes back in with Nene or Martin and green,pekovic and Westbrook come out and finally martin/nene comes in and Krstic comes out.
I don't think this line up wins a championship next year but its just as competitive as last year plus we wouldn't have to run all crazy up and down the court.
by Zachm219 on May 19, 2008 3:51 PM MDT reply actions
by MIchael on May 19, 2008 3:52 PM MDT reply actions
by Marmatard on May 19, 2008 3:56 PM MDT reply actions
All credit to nateclement
I am with this guy.
by Anonymous on May 19, 2008 4:01 PM MDT reply actions
by Mateo on May 19, 2008 4:07 PM MDT reply actions
Of all the thugs on the Nuggets roster this season, the only one who made an honest effort at playing defense and within the team concept was JR Smith.
If I am the Nuggets, i'm doing everything in my power to get a Jefferson/Harris/Draft Pick out of New Jersey for Camby/Melo. If that does not pan out, then I make a strong push to get Miller/Igoudala/Draft Pick from Phily for Camby/Melo. I would also be trying to contact the Clippers about Brand/Magette/Livingston to see what their availability is. I also like the idea of Redd/Villanueva/Bogut from Milwaukee for Melo/Camby, although I don't see the Bucks willing to give up this much.
No matter how you slice it, Melo's days in Denver are over (and if they are not, they should be). We could rattle off a list of 20 quality trades that would improve the franchise coming in to next season. The point is, the Nuggets should be patient and wait a couple of weeks so that they can make an informed decision about the future of their franchise rather than make a hasty decision tomorrow that could deter progress by the team as a whole.
by Chad on May 19, 2008 4:08 PM MDT reply actions
and keep your 33 year old superstar tha tyou are paying well over 20 million a year. a pointgaurd who avged 24pt and 4 assist durrring the playoffs. and don't forget he was a no show durring last years playoffs.
Why is there no talk about trading AI??? 20 mill expiring contract next year? an undersized shooting gaurd that at his prime was the probalby the most amazing player ever, but he is NOT in his prime anymore
by nuggs0611 on May 19, 2008 4:27 PM MDT reply actions
by Zachm219 on May 19, 2008 4:31 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 19, 2008 6:20 PM MDT reply actions
by Zachm219 on May 19, 2008 8:12 PM MDT reply actions
If nuggs trade #15, I'll watch the games next season just to cheer against them.
I won't be able to stand looking at players like Kmart, Nene, and Iverson. Players that are here because of Melo. Not to mention their coaching staff who can outlast Melo winning only 3 playoff games? It will ruin the nuggs if they do this. Back to 15 wins a season.
by BNGC on May 19, 2008 8:24 PM MDT reply actions
C-Camby
PF-Kristic
Sf-carmelo
SG-VInce Carter
PG-Devin Harris
by Zedrich on May 19, 2008 9:47 PM MDT reply actions
by paterade on May 19, 2008 9:58 PM MDT reply actions
i'd rather have melo camby for redd bogut sessions or something like that other guy said
unless you include kmart somehow and throw in a sean williams too, this trade is definitely idiotic
DON"T TRADE MELO YET YOU FOOLS WAIT IT OUT YO
by andrew fisher on May 20, 2008 2:50 AM MDT reply actions
by Chris C. on May 20, 2008 7:15 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 8:12 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 8:32 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 9:08 AM MDT reply actions
Oh except that the nugs still have 2 albatross contracts (K-mart and Nene) that will prevent any rebuilding for 3-4 years. Welcome back to late 90s/early 0s nuggets fans!
by KenoshaKid on May 20, 2008 9:58 AM MDT reply actions
But this is a terrible trade for the Nets. You will end up having Carter and Anthony who yes will draw people but will have absolutely no chemistry since they both demand the ball.
In the end this is all George Karl's doing, he is pissed as hell that Anthony actually challenged him during the playoffs. All those who challenge Karl beware, he has become a dictator, he owns the Nuggets management (why do you think, Carter started as the PG, and we didn't get Artest.) So beware. Andrew you beware too, you have no idea how far Karl's hand can reach.
by j2y2k3 on May 20, 2008 11:19 AM MDT reply actions
by JTR on May 20, 2008 1:19 PM MDT reply actions
I can't say I disagree with him. After all this is a player who is as Costa said, very one dimensional with no interest in doing anything with the basketball except trying to score.
Other points that I agreed with was the fact that the Nuggets need a culture cleansing (Costa's words) in that locker room, as well as the ability to free up cap space to remake the team.
Melo is a bad guy and you can almost predict when the next off the court bad news episode will happen.
Here's the one thing I most agreed with what Costa had to say today: Is there anyone in their right mind who believes that bringing back this exact same cast next season with the same head coach is going to get different results?
Verdict: Anthony guilty on all counts. TRADE HIM NOW!
by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 1:39 PM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 2:32 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 5:32 PM MDT reply actions
by Nataly on May 20, 2008 5:35 PM MDT reply actions
THE Dino Costa?
The Mile High Mouth?
Right here: www.dinoradiotv.com
by Anonymous on May 20, 2008 8:58 PM MDT reply actions
Besides, I don't know why people are giving so much thought into this, they are not trading Carmelo. Listening to offers does not mean they are definatly trading the guy. Relax, it happens to EVERY player in every circumstance. Thats life. Carmelo better start producing more then just points though and start showing maturity and at least an ounce of leadership..because if he doesn't, in a few more years the trade talk will become more of a reality.
by Anonymous on May 21, 2008 12:42 AM MDT reply actions
^^ What world do you live in? Thats all some fans have been talking and crying about...trading Iverson.Iverson is STILL an amazing player which amazingly seems to still be playing in his prime (he outplays everyone on that Nuggets team)I watched Iverson when he played on the sixers..and he NEVER looked as confused in a system as he does on the Nuggets, ever. So i'll say this..I think in the right system both Carmelo and Iverson could work together and do great things...but the fact is that out of the players in the starting line up neither Iverson or Camby (who have each been to the NBA Finals once) or Kenyon (who has been to the NBA finals twice) have never had much of a problem being on teams that advanced in the playoffs...they come to the Nuggets and all of a sudden its a problem.
So my point is, wether people like to hear it or not, the constant here is Carmelo and Coach Karl, who for the past four years together can't seem to buy a playoff win no matter if it is with a pure PG (Andre Miller) or making a trade for a Superstar player (Iverson). This is why people are starting to question Carmelo and rightfully so. Regardless of what desperate fans want to try to throw a player like Iverson (a player that is already proven) under the bus by acting as if he's "lost a step" (some of you probably wouldn't know what a player "playing in his prime" means..give me a break), the fact is that the guy is already going to the hall of fame, and came to the Nuggets to try to help the team contend and make them relevent in a very flawed system. I feel more bad for that guy then for that franchise at this point. If Carmelo gets traded, what makes anyone think Iverson would even stay in Denver? The guy spent 11 years of his career caring teams on his back, what makes you think he would want to carry this one? He will almost certainly leave. And then that franchise will really be in deep sh*t. I feel like Iverson should leave anyway, he deserves better. The guy busted his ass to try to help the team out, had one of the best seasons of his career...and what thanks does he get? Having some of the most embarrassing loses and moments of his entire career on the Nuggets. SMH, you're right, Iverson should get traded..just to ensure that Franchise doesn't ruin the rest of his amazing career.
by Anonymous on May 21, 2008 1:11 AM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on May 21, 2008 11:01 AM MDT reply actions
by Mike on May 21, 2008 1:30 PM MDT reply actions
Deng, Hinrich, and D.Gooden for
Melo, Nene, & S.Hunter.
Helps with your cap, and gives you 3 useful building blocks.
by Anonymous on May 21, 2008 2:17 PM MDT reply actions
Iverson
Hinrich
Deng
Martin
Camby
and as bench/backup:
Carter
Smith
Kleiza
Najera
Gooden
The big advantage that Melo has shown vs. Deng is an ability to post up forwards and score in the paint. That would be a hole after that trade, though the outside shooting could improve with the combo of Deng and Hinrich.
the downside is that, historically, trades of the 2-for-1 variety (just going by starters) favor the team who got the 1 star. And Iverson might be less inclined to bust his butt for a team without another star.
by Mike on May 21, 2008 2:32 PM MDT reply actions
by Zachm219 on May 21, 2008 2:55 PM MDT reply actions
I'd hate to give up Tyrus, who will average 14 pts / 9 rbs / 2 blocks sometime soon. But I'd include TT in the deal as long as the Bulls kept Gooden and Camby was coming back.
I'll contact the league office and let them know there's an agreement.
by Anonymous on May 21, 2008 3:38 PM MDT reply actions
i want nene more than camby for sure. camby is dead to me. wrecks our offense. gets 4 blocks a game but leaves his man open and creates mis-matches all over the court. steals teammate's rebounds etc.
deng, hinrich, thomas
for
camby, melo
deng is a better rebounder as well.
by andrew fisher on May 22, 2008 1:05 AM MDT reply actions
by Zachm219 on May 22, 2008 2:21 AM MDT reply actions
Is it Karl? Who knows. It could be the player(s) -- remember Larry Brown and the Knicks. He was regarded (and still is, to those who know) as an excellent coach before that crazy situation.
Karl hasn't been fired, God knows why. I think trading Melo might be a good idea -- not necessarily this deal (I'll have to look into it further). He can be so much more, but he just isn't there. Will another year do it? I don't know. All I know is I always get scared in tense situations in a game when either Camby or Melo has the ball, because God knows they'll probably turn the ball over in some stupid manner, or throw up a brick.
by ohxten on May 22, 2008 10:16 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 23, 2008 11:37 AM MDT reply actions
A.)Only one thing, Iverson isn't a PG..he's a combo SG and they didn't trade for Iverson to play the PG position, i'm not sure what part of that people don't understand.
B.) They had Andre and they were one and done in the playoffs still, care to answer why? And when Andre was there fans still complained.
C.) You must not watch 76er basketball. Iverson led almost that same team (only less expierenced) to a better record and the playoffs the season before he left the Sixers. If you are going to try to argue anything against Iverson at least state facts. And pleas do not even attempt to compare anything of what Andre has done in Philly, compared to what Iverson, a hall of fame player, did for Philly..you'll get laughed off this forum. The more and more I read this stuff the more I start to think a lot of people that post here don't know a thing about basketball. Please for the love of god just stop yourselves now. smh
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