The Nuggets Offseason: Marcus Camby...
Continuing our review of current Nuggets who could potentially be moved this offseason, next up is former Defensive Player of the Year Marcus Camby.The Situation: With the Nuggets already well over the NBA's salary cap, facing the re-signing of J.R. Smith and possibly Eduardo Najera, and giving Allen Iverson an extension, it's likely that upper management will look to reduce payroll over the summer. After Iverson's $20 million due next season, Carmelo Anthony and Kenyon Martin will pull in $13 million apiece, Camby $10 million and Nene $9 million. And while billionaire owner Stanley Kroenke may want to continue overpaying for the most underachieving team in the NBA, it's highly unlikely.
With Anthony and Iverson probably coming back, and Martin and Nene being untradeable due to their absurdly high salaries, it's Camby who makes the best trade bait for the Nuggets.
The Good: Camby is the defensive anchor of the team. He's led the league in blocks three out of the last four seasons, and finished second in rebounds in 2007-08. In addition to being one of the best rebounders and blocked shot artists in the NBA, Camby will selflessly lay his body on the line to take a big charge. Camby is also a willing and good passer for a big man, and averaged 3.3 assists this past season.Historically injury-prone, Camby has been relatively healthy as a Nugget. Since 2003-04, Camby has played in at least 66 games every season with the exception of 2005-06 and in 2007-08, Camby missed only three games (a career high). Moreover, with about $15 million due to Camby over the next two seasons, he's very reasonably priced for a top-10 starting center in the NBA...even with the injury risks.
The Bad: As noted above, despite being fairly healthy the last two seasons, Camby is injury prone. In 12 NBA seasons, Camby has been absent due to injury 27% of the time. He's also 34 years old and logged a career high 34 minutes per game last season (due mostly to Nene being out for almost the entire season).Frankly, Camby's injuries don't concern me as much as his ineptitude on offense. It's remarkable that someone as agile and athletic as Camby never developed anything resembling an inside game. His outside shot is shaky and yet he keeps shooting it, and when he actually drives the ball to the hole, he tends to flip it up rather than throw it down as a dunk. This is why Camby shot 45% from the field last year, an inexcusably low percentage for someone 6' 11".
And Camby's defensive numbers might be slightly misleading. Yes, he led the league in blocks and finished second in rebounding, but this could be due somewhat to the Nuggets leading the league in possessions (thanks to their high-pace style).
The Verdict: Assuming it's possible to feel bad for a guy who makes $10 million per year to play basketball, I actually do feel bad for Marcus Camby. Yes, I cringe whenever he takes a jump shot, but how many times has Camby had to clean up the defensive mess left by his teammates? Every time Anthony, Martin, Iverson and the others allow their man to blow by them, guess who's the last line of defense? Camby.
That being said, Camby is clearly the Nuggets most tradeable asset (assuming Anthony isn't for sale this summer). He'd be the perfect fit for a team looking to shore up their interior defense for a long playoff run.
And I have the perfect trade for the Nuggets.
If the Nuggets do indeed want to shed some payroll this summer, I say trade Camby to Chicago for Joakim Noah and try to get an extra player or a draft pick in the deal, too. With Noah having problems with his Bulls coaches and teammates, and recently getting busted for marijuana possession, it's possible that the Bulls will look to unload him this summer. (Before you think I've lost my mind, hear me out!) While I don't condone breaking the rules, possession of marijuana doesn't bother me enough to not want him on my team and Noah's problems with his coaches and teammates came out of his over-anxious desire to help the team, not selfishness. So I'm not sold on Noah being a bad character guy whatsoever.Forgetting Noah's reputation for being, let's say, eccentric...as I've stated on this blog before, an NBA assistant coach once told me: "You always want a guy you have to dial down, not a guy you have to dial up" and Noah certainly fits that bill. Additionally, Noah comes from good stock - his father being a former pro tennis player and his mother being a former Miss Sweden - and his passion for winning is authentic, evident by his leading the Florida Gators to back-to-back NCAA Championships and his solid production when given playing time. If Noah had played 36 minutes a game last year, he'd have averaged 11.5 points, 10 rebounds, 1.5 blocks and 1.5 steals per contest. Not too shabby for a rookie. From my vantage point, Noah is essentially a 22-year-old Marcus Camby for about $7 million less.
Other possible destinations for Camby could be Toronto (I'd love to get Jose Calderon in return, but he won't be on the market and T.J. Ford's $8 million per year salary frightens me), Charlotte (Larry Brown would love Camby, but for Raymond Felton?), New Jersey (for Nenard Krstic?) and maybe even Detroit. If the Pistons flame out of the conference finals again, perhaps they'd want Camby for one more finals run so they could move Rasheed Wallace permanently to power forward...but who would they give up for him?
In many ways, I'd hate to see Camby go. But if the Nuggets could get younger and less expensive by moving him, and yet retain most of his production or pick up a point guard, it's a trade the Nuggets must strongly consider.
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by Catalan on May 26, 2008 3:29 PM MDT reply actions
by Jonbear on May 26, 2008 3:37 PM MDT reply actions
Oh yes, remember Karl saying Camby was the most important player on the team (or something along those lines...)
I disagree about the trade involving Noah. Bad idea. He's bad on offense, too. He just doesn't impress me, from the little bit I've watched him play. I think it'd be a worthless trade that might even hurt us.
However, I don't have any suggestions for a replacement as of yet.
by ohxten on May 26, 2008 4:47 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on May 26, 2008 6:54 PM MDT reply actions
by nataly on May 26, 2008 9:41 PM MDT reply actions
The Bottom line with MC is that he doesn't like to move and he is easily moved by even moderately large players.
He has some good skills on offense, but his % on his jumper has gone down the last two years. You combine him with Nene and a good pg and you can more than survive. But I would prefer Camby to moved given his percieved value.
Kenyon and Nene will be better than most will think. Two very good, physical defenders.
by rururuland on May 26, 2008 10:26 PM MDT reply actions
I'd trade Camby for Noah + Nocioni.
Or similarly, maybe we can persuade the Larry Brown-led Charlotte to trade its 9th pick to us, Sean May and some contracts for Camby... where we can hope that 9th pick to be Russell Westbrook or package the 9th and 20th to move even higher in the draft to get... Russell Westbrook. And we can hope Sean May to bounce back from injuries.
As long as we get Westbrook in the draft, the PG position is going to be set for the next 12 years. A real quality player with defensive attitude that is also explosive, athletic and has a good feel on offense.
- Snake -
by Anonymous on May 26, 2008 10:49 PM MDT reply actions
Getting Noah for Camby would be great. Don't think for a second that Noah is a bad guy. How many college players these days stick around for two seasons because they like to win. Noah could have gone to the NBA but he wanted another championship. And then he did it. That's more impressive than anything Camby has shown me.
by Not anonymous? on May 26, 2008 11:26 PM MDT reply actions
I'm surprised the Nuggets aren't exploring any Allen Iverson trades. The answer hasn't been the Answer for the Nuggets, our record with him isn't much different than without him. I'd rather see us deal him (and his $20 million. You mentioned a contract extension? For how much? 25/year? Ack). And I love, love, love Allen Iverson as a player. I just don't like the results. Especially when he' blocking the playing time of JR Smith who is much, much cheaper.
by Denverson on May 26, 2008 11:55 PM MDT reply actions
he creates mismatches with his stick-like frame and he wrecks our offense by getting in everyones way and shooting those ugly jumpers at the start of games. and i hate it when he brings the ball up the court....
trade camby to philly...
marcus camby and linas kleiza
for
jason williams and andre miller
we all love andre miller. linas kleiza just wont mature and reach his potential with AI JR and Melo on this team. jason smith is a hometown boy and a decent big man with potential (and nene's brother in law or something apparently). and wed be losing camby's salary and jump shot!
i'm pretty sure philly would consider getting rid of andre miller to upgrade louis williams to PG and give him more playing time. linas could play SF and iggy could drop down to SG.
by andrew fisher on May 27, 2008 4:26 AM MDT reply actions
Disagree about Nene.
I think the Nuggets would have zero trouble finding takers for his contract, should they want to unload it.
Signing Nene to that particular contract has been widely criticized by the nescient, but that's been unjustified criticism.
by Petey on May 27, 2008 5:19 AM MDT reply actions
Also, in regards to Noah, yeah he might have some hope, but to me, you're looking at Ed Najera 2.0 - something we don't need to pony up big bucks for 1.0 of much less 2.0 IMO. And he's not even to Eduardo's level yet! He still needs to improve to get there. So how does this help our Nuggets again?
And what does Camby for even a guy I love (from my fantasy team that is) in Ray Felton do for us? So we have no post presence aside from two injury risks in Nene/K-Mart (and a major injury concern as a 3rd if we got Sean May in the deal) and then we need to find minutes for Felton, AI, JR, Atkins, and goddamn Anthony Carter too if he and Atkins are around next year.... why cause yourself a headache on purpose?
Did anyone stop to think that part of the reason Camby isn't great on offense is the plays designed... BY THE COACHING STAFF!!!???
We got guys on here talking about Camby is a poor defender, then other guys saying he's great... guys saying he's poor offensively, and guys saying he's a plus on the offensive side. My head hurts... I guess I'm purposly asking for a headache too when I signed on to be a Nuggets fan huh? LOL.
Anyway, I digress back to my original thought... Camby is NOT the problem with our Nuggets - period.
by Eric K on May 27, 2008 9:08 AM MDT reply actions
by Geerten on May 27, 2008 12:58 PM MDT reply actions
In a word? No.
In two words? Hell NO.
I keep bringing up the fact that if you replace Marcus Camby, you have to be willing to take the hit on defense. You are NOT going to get anywhere near the rebounding or shot-blocking production of Camby out of Nene, and K-Mart is not a shot blocker.
The jury is still out on Noah, but to be honest, I would want a post player back. Getting Noah is just getting a younger player with the same issues.
If Nene is healthy, the easy fix would be to move him to Center and move Camby back to his natural position as a weak-side shot blocking PF. All this hinges on Nene coming into camp healthy. (and I know that dude has cancer, but he hasn't come into a training camp in shape in the last few years.) He much better playing next to a post player instead of being a Center.
I would realistically like to see what the Clippers would offer for Elton Brand, or if Indy would be willing to part with O'Neal.
BTW-Whoever said that A.I. was keeping J.R. from getting playing time, get real. The only person that is doing that is J.R.
by Anonymous on May 27, 2008 4:38 PM MDT reply actions
Here is the trade I would propose (keeping in mind that it is highly unlikely)...
Marcus Camby and Linas Kleiza for Jose Calderon (sign and trade) and Jason Kapono (then draft Robin Lopez).
The benefits for the Nuggets are obvious: (1) they get a point guard that had a 66-1 A/T ratio in April, hits threes, and doesn't need the ball to be effective (in other words, perfect for the Nuggets), (2) they get a bench shooter to replace Kleiza who is more dependable from 3 pt. range, (3) they get two highly dependable FT shooters, and (4) they get the next Anderson Varajao (hair included) minus the ten million dollar a year contract.
The benefits for Toronto are less obvious, but still good: (1) They get a SF that fits perfectly in their system (read: he's European, likes to run and shoot 3s), (2) they get rid of Kapono's contract (they have stated that they regret it), (3) they clear up the logjam at PG, and (4) they get a "defender" who can rebound and teach Barngani a thing or two about toughness.
Whatever the Nuggets do, they need to trade Camby before everyone else in the NBA realizes he is washed up.
by Matthew on May 27, 2008 4:44 PM MDT reply actions
I liked Matthew's trade idea of Camby and Klieza for Calderon and Kapono, but it leaves us very weak up front, even if we do manage to draft Lopez. We still have Steven Hunter for another two years, and could resign Najera. We could also use JR Smith in a sign-and-trade for some mediocre big in the mid-level range. Calderon is a restricted free agent, and to make the salaries work in the trade Toronto would have to sign-and-trade him to us at a fixed amount.
Here is some quick math on what we'd have to pay Calderon.
Kapono is making $5,785,714 next season, and has $18.6m left over three years. Camby and Klieza will combine for $10,184,593 next year. With the 125%+100K trade allowance we can take back $12,830,616.
So Calderon's first year salary could be a max of $7,044,902 to make the trade work. The only team with money to sign Calderon to an offer sheet over the mid-level is Philly, and they don't need him. So the only way he is making more than the mid-level is through a sign and trade, or resigning with Toronto at whatever they offer him. This limits his options in our favor.
With that starting salary the Nuggets could give him a 5yr/$40.6-42.3m or 6yr/$50.4-53m deal depending on how they work the raises. For a top five point guard I am not sure that contract gets it done, though I personally think it's fair. For comparison Calderon had an equivalent PER the past two years as Rashard Lewis before he signed that max contract; even as dumb as that contract was. Calderon had a slightly less PER than Nash right before he signed his 6yr/$66m deal with the Suns, which is more on par with what I think Calderon could expect in an open market. At least something close to the 6yr/$60m that Nene got.
If we were dealing with Kevin McHale instead of Byran Colangelo we might be able to just trade Nene straight-up for Calderon.
Though it is nice having him on the cheap (which is why I am in favor of just keeping him) this is where Camby's contract hurts us a little. If it were a normal contract he would get paid $10.6m next season instead of $8.3m (since it's front loaded), and we could get more value for him. The fact that it also is performance heavy screws up the value, and it will actually end up coming in less than $8.3m for any trade. The league will only count performances the player is likely to achieve rather than all of them in determining the value of their contract in a trade. Camby is actually only guaranteed $6.6m next season, giving him $1.7m in performance incentives that the league may or may not count.
This move also increases our team salary, and we are already $7m over the tax next season with only nine guys on the roster. Does Calderon give us enough extra to justify that? Could we start Melo at PF (where he played in College and for Team USA), and put out a lineup of Nene-Melo-Kapono-AI-Calderon and win the West? This is a pipe dream since Calderon will never come for that cheap. We probably wouldn't be able to resign JR Smith or Najera after making this move, and would need to fill out the bench with waiver players.
Better yet, we could just throw in Atkin's $3.4m, and sign Calderon to a 6yr/$60m deal. This would actually lower our team salary next year. We still have Taurean Green, and could sign Carter for another year to play backup. We'd almost have to resign JR Smith, or draft a SG if Toronto doesn't manage to swindle our pick in the trade. If we resigned Najera we could keep Melo at SF, but would be about $15-20m over the tax for next season (we were over $13m this season).
For clarification, Iverson has an Early Termination Option on the last year of his contract which is next season. He will make $22,202,632 for the Nuggets next year if he doesn't exercise his ETO. Players who have options for the last year of their contracts are treated as final year players going into free agency, and cannot be traded by the team. I am not sure when they are allowed to trade the player, but I would assume it would be right after they make an official decision on their option. So as long as AI doesn't make a decision on opting out, the Nuggets cannot trade him. He has to make a decision by June 30.
by Shane on May 28, 2008 3:43 PM MDT reply actions
1. untill the last two years he has been really injury prone.
2. he is old.
3. His Block attempts are a huge reason that we have no interior D. (if Nene were ever healthy this would be less of an issue but Cambys unwillingness to change really hurts us).
4. Mr. Touches crys about not getting the ball but when he has it we get the top of the key 4 second jumper (anyone ever time his shot?)
5. As a first team all Defencieve player and just off his DPOY his value is not going any higher.
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