More reaction to Game 4...
by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 29, 2008 5:38 PM MDT
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First, all the readers of this blog have to read this comment posted today courtesy of "Lord Sam," one of this site's most frequent contributors."Lord Sam" accurately sums up how Coach Karl and his defenders continually duped us fans (and apparently Nuggets owner Stanley Kroenke) into thinking this was a successful season...
My expectations for this team have had to be lowered constantly during this season.
1. Start of the Season - A #3 seed going into the playoffs. Maybe I put too much stock into the "we can win 60 games this year nonsense". Then when Karl heard those numbers he said, "Whoa, maybe 55". In retrospect it sounds really crazy. 55 wins for you clowns?
2. Mid-Season - Home Court in the 1st round. I thought we still had a shot to catch the Jazz at this point. I, like some of you, felt that the Nuggets could get their act together and take care of business.
3. Late Season - Make the Playoffs. Ok, forget about a top seed and home court, just get in the playoffs, we'll do some damage once we are in!
4. The Lakers Series - Six Games. Ok, the Lakers are a great team, but I want to see them get pushed by the Nuggets; give 'em hell, maybe steal a game in LA; and make me proud!
5. Games 3 & 4 - Just play hard. Go down fighting, give it your all and most of all...Give Us something to Build on for Next Year!!
For some media reactions, I recommend reading the Denver Post's Mark Kiszla's editorial calling for Karl to go. As I've said before, Kiszla deserves major props for being the ONLY Denver sports columnist to demand Karl's ouster. Moreover, while Kiszla doesn't take up for the players, he at least points out the reality that Karl can't coach them anymore.Meanwhile, the Rocky Mountain News' Dave Krieger continues to fall into the players-are-to-blame camp (at least he didn't refer to Karl as a "zookeeper" today). And on 104.3 The Fan this morning, The Sports Guys continued to defend Karl and place most of the blame on the players. I guess going 3-16 in four playoff series is satisfactory.
On ESPN's "Around the Horn," Woody Paige and Tim Cowlishaw defended Karl, while Jay Mariotti and Kevin Blackistone questioned the judgment behind keeping a coach with a .158 winning percentage in the playoffs with the franchise.
And of course, Radio Colorado Network's Dino Costa pulls no punches and tackles Karl's ridiculous postgame excuse about having "not enough luck in finding the right matchup" in the playoffs. And here is part 2 and 3 of that rant.
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Let me clarify because there still seems to be some belief that an overhaul is neccesary in order to achieve success with this team. The Nuggets have many problems right now, most of which can be fixed with a new coach. Trades fix one problem. If you need an inside presence, you make a trade. If you need to sell tickets and need a star player that will do so, you make a trade. This should be best evident this year with Phoenix, Dallas and L.A, all of which turned out differently and only one of which to this point actually worked (L.A.). Trades don't fix the type of problems the Nuggets have. Coaching does. We have the pieces and each person on the team plays a vital role in our success. We have a perfect balance of defense and offense we just need someone to work it properly.
I really don't care much for George Karl anymore. He knows he isn't a benafactor to this team and so do we. Yet he reamains our achilles heel and refuses to do anything within his power about it. He has no idea about what the phrase "for the greater good means". He is just there to collect his 3 mil each year and sit un-enthused on the sidelines as his team becomes the first 50 win team to get swept in the playoffs.
If there is a glimpse of unselfishnesss in Karl's heart he will, for our sake, hopefully embrace it and resign next year. And Andrew you are doing such a good job I think you should keep covering the Nuggets no matter what happens next year.
Thanks Again for giving us hope.
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 7:43 PM MDT reply actions
I loved how he kept saying "run the tape". LOL!!!!
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 7:43 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 7:59 PM MDT reply actions
WHAT!?!? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!
LOL
HILARIOUS.....
by danjustin on Apr 29, 2008 8:06 PM MDT reply actions
Karl must be pissing in his pants
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 8:46 PM MDT reply actions
What a refreshing breath of honest air this guy is.
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 8:56 PM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 9:20 PM MDT reply actions
He called the Nuggets a team filled with a bunch of wannabe gangsters. I understand that lot of people are mad and upset but here is an organization that a couple years ago couldn't even bribe the Commish to get into the playoffs.
Another thing, I am very sensitive to racism and discrimination. I don't enjoy the fact that you're calling the athletes who do stuff for the community, who serve as heroes to some people wannabe gangsters. That's why people don't take sport radio host serious, like Stephen A. Smith, he is loud and entertaining but at the end of the day if I really want a good basketball opinion, I'm gonna go to Tim Ledger or Greg Anthony.
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 9:22 PM MDT reply actions
I happen to agree with him 1000% on this one.
And Costa not only knows basketball but talks fondly of his days of rooting for the Baltimore Bullets in his youth growing up in New York. That's a long time ago following the NBA for many years.
Listen to the guy on a regular basis like I do before you draw an incorrect judgment.
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 9:32 PM MDT reply actions
by markp on Apr 29, 2008 9:38 PM MDT reply actions
He said that he feels that Karl is playing on peoples sympathies with his constant references to his cancer and his kids cancer. This isn't an arguable point?
Do you really believe that Dino Costa has no heart or feelings for those people who are afflicted with this dreaded disease?
Disagree with the points but hold the mustard on calling his commentary something like hateful.
Hate? You talking hate? Hate? Come on now man, hate? Hate?
Are you George Karl? Maybe George Karl's son?
Hate?
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 9:45 PM MDT reply actions
Because JR Smith makes 3's from 30 feet, he's the next MJ. You guys are delusional, and because you are, you have this team. A team based on flash with no fire (Yeh MJ commercial)
I barely ever hear people complain about how Karl sat Diawara (Denver's best perimeter defender) who actually started a good amount of games last year. Sat Hunter, who actually started a couple of games this season and had good outings. Atkins a 3-point demon, didn't even play in the playoffs.
Your management let go of Steve Blake ( He was willing to sign for 5-mil but the nuggets management decided against it), traded Evans ( the best and most efficient rebounder for the Nuggets) for Hunter who did not play.
One thing that really aggravates me about you guys, unlike Andrew who came up with this site, is that very few of you understand basketball. Trade Iverson and Camby for Calderon and Parker. You do realize that you play in the Western Conference. Calderon is gonna be effective against Paul, Nash, Parker, D-Williams, B-Davis...Parker is gonna guard Kobe, McGrady, Ginobli, J. Howard etc
Give me a break, for all you intelligent basketball fans out there who think this team is dysfunctional. Remember, there was a team once called the Trail Blazers that was full with Nutcases (that's what the media called them) and till this day they have not made the playoffs. Wallace is in the 2nd round, Wells is in the second round, Stoudemire is gonna be in the second round. You give me the right situation, and I'll put you on the road to a championship, that is the promise every superstar/ all-star player gives you, unfortunately not everybody is that fortunate.
If you like start demanding trades, start saying this guy should go, that guy should go, before you know it, you'll be a 17-win team again, and Costa will die of a heart attack.
Get it straight the Nuggets, only hope is a system where they can make the best use of the players they have, trades are great when you can give little away but the Nuggets little players don't get time to play and only their big-time players do. A trade of any star right now will only bring the Nuggets down.
by j2y2k3 on Apr 29, 2008 9:51 PM MDT reply actions
Haha, it is funny how much trash a person can talk when they're blessed. He calls 4 of the best players thugs (Melo, AI, Martin, Smith), calls Camby a despicable human being. I think you just went through the top 5 players on the Nuggets, players who combine for over 10 all-star appearances, A defensive player of the year, an MVP, he hates all these players. I emphasize the word "HATE" not because of the way they play but because of the way he views their appearance.
He basically hates the whole team, loves to yell and feels like he has superior basketball knowledge than anyone else on the planet.
All I have to ask is...you guys actually believe all the stuff that comes out his mouth. Then you truly deserve a bad below .500 team! Not a 50-win team that needs tweaks. You don't deserve them at all.
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 10:01 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 10:20 PM MDT reply actions
And by the way, the dictionary defines a thug as one who is a murderer and a rugga muffin. Not someone with a bunch of tattoos on their bodies.
Ignorance is the greatest crime of humanity...
by Anonymous on Apr 29, 2008 11:14 PM MDT reply actions
by markp on Apr 29, 2008 11:23 PM MDT reply actions
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by markp on Apr 30, 2008 12:09 AM MDT reply actions
I truly believe the Nuggets had the 2nd most talented team in the NBA this season (Celtics have more) and could have competed for a title with a good coach. Keep the current team mostly in place, hire someone suggested by Andrew, and the sky is the limit for next season. Lastly, who thinks Iverson and Anthony could become the next Stockton and Malone with solid coaching? I think they could be an unstopable Pick and Roll combo.
by Murl on Apr 30, 2008 12:30 AM MDT reply actions
I'm also confused about something here. Dino Costa is fat? Since when? Looking at his picture on this blog the last thing he looks to me is fat.
Here is how I break down the Costa ranting and raving. He said what a lot of people think but never have the guts to say. He has been saying for years that Melo is overrated and that Karl cannot coach his way out of a paper bag.
He's also right about the fact that the media in Denver do tend to give George Karl and the Nuggets organization too much slack while going after the Monforts and the Rockies without hesitation.
Finally I believe that Costa is right on the mark with many of the things he said and says on his shows about the Nuggets. If this is a site where most come to hope that George Karl gets fired, then Costa and his opinions on this subject should be met with approval more than anything else.
I didn't find his comments on the Nuggets today to be so much funny as I found them to be an accurate reflection of the disaster that this organization has become in a lot of ways.
my2$=?
by Anonymous on Apr 30, 2008 12:31 AM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on Apr 30, 2008 1:14 AM MDT reply actions
Being unable to get your game together until you're down three games to none must be a symptom of some fairly serious psychological issue...
No kidding, Krieger. So let's see--
Basketball is a "team" sport. So that must be a group psychological issue, right? Maybe the issue has something to do with the Nuggets not functioning as a team.
If the Nuggets are "not a team", then what could cause that? or at least help it along?
It's the Coach! They need a Coach! Every "team" needs a Coach to mold them into a group and teach that group to win.
So go ahead, Krieger, blame the players for not molding themselves into a group that knows how to win.
What an idiot.
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