First, all the readers of this blog have to read this comment posted today courtesy of "Lord Sam," one of this site's most frequent contributors.
"Lord Sam" accurately sums up how Coach Karl and his defenders continually duped us fans (and apparently Nuggets owner Stanley Kroenke) into thinking this was a successful season...
My expectations for this team have had to be lowered constantly during this season.
1. Start of the Season - A #3 seed going into the playoffs. Maybe I put too much stock into the "we can win 60 games this year nonsense". Then when Karl heard those numbers he said, "Whoa, maybe 55". In retrospect it sounds really crazy. 55 wins for you clowns?
2. Mid-Season - Home Court in the 1st round. I thought we still had a shot to catch the Jazz at this point. I, like some of you, felt that the Nuggets could get their act together and take care of business.
3. Late Season - Make the Playoffs. Ok, forget about a top seed and home court, just get in the playoffs, we'll do some damage once we are in!
4. The Lakers Series - Six Games. Ok, the Lakers are a great team, but I want to see them get pushed by the Nuggets; give 'em hell, maybe steal a game in LA; and make me proud!
5. Games 3 & 4 - Just play hard. Go down fighting, give it your all and most of all...Give Us something to Build on for Next Year!!
For some media reactions, I recommend reading the Denver Post's Mark Kiszla's editorial calling for Karl to go. As I've said before, Kiszla deserves major props for being the ONLY Denver sports columnist to demand Karl's ouster. Moreover, while Kiszla doesn't take up for the players, he at least points out the reality that Karl can't coach them anymore.
Meanwhile, the Rocky Mountain News' Dave Krieger continues to fall into the players-are-to-blame camp (at least he didn't refer to Karl as a "zookeeper" today). And on 104.3 The Fan this morning, The Sports Guys continued to defend Karl and place most of the blame on the players. I guess going 3-16 in four playoff series is satisfactory.
On ESPN's "Around the Horn," Woody Paige and Tim Cowlishaw defended Karl, while Jay Mariotti and Kevin Blackistone questioned the judgment behind keeping a coach with a .158 winning percentage in the playoffs with the franchise.
And of course, Radio Colorado Network's Dino Costa pulls no punches and tackles Karl's ridiculous postgame excuse about having "not enough luck in finding the right matchup" in the playoffs. And here is part 2 and 3 of that rant.
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
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Thanks Andrew for bieng the leader of the people who understand what is really happineng with this organization and thanks for standing up for what you know/belive is best for this team.
Let me clarify because there still seems to be some belief that an overhaul is neccesary in order to achieve success with this team. The Nuggets have many problems right now, most of which can be fixed with a new coach. Trades fix one problem. If you need an inside presence, you make a trade. If you need to sell tickets and need a star player that will do so, you make a trade. This should be best evident this year with Phoenix, Dallas and L.A, all of which turned out differently and only one of which to this point actually worked (L.A.). Trades don't fix the type of problems the Nuggets have. Coaching does. We have the pieces and each person on the team plays a vital role in our success. We have a perfect balance of defense and offense we just need someone to work it properly.
I really don't care much for George Karl anymore. He knows he isn't a benafactor to this team and so do we. Yet he reamains our achilles heel and refuses to do anything within his power about it. He has no idea about what the phrase "for the greater good means". He is just there to collect his 3 mil each year and sit un-enthused on the sidelines as his team becomes the first 50 win team to get swept in the playoffs.
If there is a glimpse of unselfishnesss in Karl's heart he will, for our sake, hopefully embrace it and resign next year. And Andrew you are doing such a good job I think you should keep covering the Nuggets no matter what happens next year.
Thanks Again for giving us hope.
LMAO @ this rant!! This is one of the funniest rants I have ever heard. The sad part was he was telling the truth.
I loved how he kept saying "run the tape". LOL!!!!
THAT was CLASSIC DINO COSTA at his very best! BRAVO!!!
THE CLIPPERS THE CLIPPERS!!! NO ONE LOSES TO THE CLIPPERS!!!!
WHAT!?!? ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!
LOL
HILARIOUS.....
that Dino Costa was the shiittt
Haha Dino Costa is great !!!!
Karl must be pissing in his pants
Why can't everyone here in our town be like this guy is on the radio?
What a refreshing breath of honest air this guy is.
Costa makes Karl look like a total dork in this rant. Hilarious stuff, but oh so right on the nail!
Someone needs to put this thing up on youtube!!! This is an all time great radio rant that should be preserved forever!
calm down man. your right about karl but thats all your right about on your rant.
Costas is a funny guy, but probably has no idea about basketball. I'm grateful you called it a rant, because he basically made it sound like the Nuggets are the 2008 version of the Miami Heat.
He called the Nuggets a team filled with a bunch of wannabe gangsters. I understand that lot of people are mad and upset but here is an organization that a couple years ago couldn't even bribe the Commish to get into the playoffs.
Another thing, I am very sensitive to racism and discrimination. I don't enjoy the fact that you're calling the athletes who do stuff for the community, who serve as heroes to some people wannabe gangsters. That's why people don't take sport radio host serious, like Stephen A. Smith, he is loud and entertaining but at the end of the day if I really want a good basketball opinion, I'm gonna go to Tim Ledger or Greg Anthony.
This is the same Dino Costa who when talking about the aesthetics of the current group of Nuggets players, with their corn rows, tats all over the place, and gangsta scowls (led by chief thug Kenyon Martin, said that if they took the uniforms off them and you put them in a regular pair of white shorts and tee shirts, you could assume and wouldn't be able to tell them apart from a prison yard team playing at the Supermax facility down in Florence.
I happen to agree with him 1000% on this one.
And Costa not only knows basketball but talks fondly of his days of rooting for the Baltimore Bullets in his youth growing up in New York. That's a long time ago following the NBA for many years.
Listen to the guy on a regular basis like I do before you draw an incorrect judgment.
Costas remarks are accurate no doubt but there is no need to personally attack a person ,even Karl or his son as Costa did here. He is a hater of mankind when he rants with hate as he does. Thankfully,here in Denver we have a more agreeable media and yes girly men or what not but I'll take Kizla and his pinpoint critical remarks over this hateful idiot anyday.
What hate are you talking about?
He said that he feels that Karl is playing on peoples sympathies with his constant references to his cancer and his kids cancer. This isn't an arguable point?
Do you really believe that Dino Costa has no heart or feelings for those people who are afflicted with this dreaded disease?
Disagree with the points but hold the mustard on calling his commentary something like hateful.
Hate? You talking hate? Hate? Come on now man, hate? Hate?
Are you George Karl? Maybe George Karl's son?
Hate?
ou know I am most disappointed with Nugget Fans. Just like Karl threw JR Smith under the bus you guys are throwing AI and Melo under the bus. Granted I can understand Karl, but Allen Iverson. The Nuggets were not RELEVANT before AI came to town.
Because JR Smith makes 3's from 30 feet, he's the next MJ. You guys are delusional, and because you are, you have this team. A team based on flash with no fire (Yeh MJ commercial)
I barely ever hear people complain about how Karl sat Diawara (Denver's best perimeter defender) who actually started a good amount of games last year. Sat Hunter, who actually started a couple of games this season and had good outings. Atkins a 3-point demon, didn't even play in the playoffs.
Your management let go of Steve Blake ( He was willing to sign for 5-mil but the nuggets management decided against it), traded Evans ( the best and most efficient rebounder for the Nuggets) for Hunter who did not play.
One thing that really aggravates me about you guys, unlike Andrew who came up with this site, is that very few of you understand basketball. Trade Iverson and Camby for Calderon and Parker. You do realize that you play in the Western Conference. Calderon is gonna be effective against Paul, Nash, Parker, D-Williams, B-Davis...Parker is gonna guard Kobe, McGrady, Ginobli, J. Howard etc
Give me a break, for all you intelligent basketball fans out there who think this team is dysfunctional. Remember, there was a team once called the Trail Blazers that was full with Nutcases (that's what the media called them) and till this day they have not made the playoffs. Wallace is in the 2nd round, Wells is in the second round, Stoudemire is gonna be in the second round. You give me the right situation, and I'll put you on the road to a championship, that is the promise every superstar/ all-star player gives you, unfortunately not everybody is that fortunate.
If you like start demanding trades, start saying this guy should go, that guy should go, before you know it, you'll be a 17-win team again, and Costa will die of a heart attack.
Get it straight the Nuggets, only hope is a system where they can make the best use of the players they have, trades are great when you can give little away but the Nuggets little players don't get time to play and only their big-time players do. A trade of any star right now will only bring the Nuggets down.
Keyon Martin is a chief gangster..
Haha, it is funny how much trash a person can talk when they're blessed. He calls 4 of the best players thugs (Melo, AI, Martin, Smith), calls Camby a despicable human being. I think you just went through the top 5 players on the Nuggets, players who combine for over 10 all-star appearances, A defensive player of the year, an MVP, he hates all these players. I emphasize the word "HATE" not because of the way they play but because of the way he views their appearance.
He basically hates the whole team, loves to yell and feels like he has superior basketball knowledge than anyone else on the planet.
All I have to ask is...you guys actually believe all the stuff that comes out his mouth. Then you truly deserve a bad below .500 team! Not a 50-win team that needs tweaks. You don't deserve them at all.
Go back to the tape you misinformed miscreant! He called Kenyon Martin a despicable human being not Marcus Camby! Get it right amigo! As for the other stuff if you haven't met a few hundred people who think as Costa does that the Nuggets are an awful looking collection of thug like creatures, then I'm sorry, you are blind. Seeing some of these creeps coming down my street at night and I'm not answering my door.
Yes he did call Camby a despicable human being when he was talking about the cheerleaders. And if you want to go back to when you were a 17-win team just let all your thugs go.
And by the way, the dictionary defines a thug as one who is a murderer and a rugga muffin. Not someone with a bunch of tattoos on their bodies.
Ignorance is the greatest crime of humanity...
Hate, hate is how he rants making as I said earlier, accurate comments about Karl. I am far from a relative. Read my post again. Points can be made without the screaming fat boy ( and he is ) bullshit that waters down his message. Calling the team thugs when there is much more to it than a lowbrow remark which again waters down his point that's what I am saying here, nothing more or less. If you want to make a respectable response back at me, get a name for yourself.
Yo-anonymous, I may be slow to react here behind my thoughts but are you...Dino Costas ???
He said that Kenyon Martin chased off the dance squad, not Marcus Camby.
We are all hopefully Nuggets fans. I am. I watched the Clippers series 2 years ago while in the hospital with some serious shit going down and I still could not wait for the next game. I don't know what made me sicker - the Nuggets and their pathetic performance against those dreaded Clippers or the shitload of antibiotics trying to make me well( the reggie nutter grab on Kayman prolonged my stay in the hospital at least one extra day ) but I knew I was a fan - from awful as hell losing to piss poor teams or kicking the Celtics ass ( yes w/o Garnett )after the all-star game this year at home. Anyway I hope for the best here.
You "blame the players" folks make me sick. How can the players be blamed for anything when they have a coach who - 1) Doesn't care if they win. 2) Doesn't implement an offensive playbook, despite having enormous talent. 3) Doesn't preach defensive intensity or work on defensive schemes that could work. 4) Doesn't award or take away playing time from his players on the basis of their contribution or lack thereof to the bottom line (point differential).
I truly believe the Nuggets had the 2nd most talented team in the NBA this season (Celtics have more) and could have competed for a title with a good coach. Keep the current team mostly in place, hire someone suggested by Andrew, and the sky is the limit for next season. Lastly, who thinks Iverson and Anthony could become the next Stockton and Malone with solid coaching? I think they could be an unstopable Pick and Roll combo.
The guy before me is right. Dino did say that Kenyon Martin and not Marcus Camby was the player who was involved in the unreported story about the Nuggets dancers.
I'm also confused about something here. Dino Costa is fat? Since when? Looking at his picture on this blog the last thing he looks to me is fat.
Here is how I break down the Costa ranting and raving. He said what a lot of people think but never have the guts to say. He has been saying for years that Melo is overrated and that Karl cannot coach his way out of a paper bag.
He's also right about the fact that the media in Denver do tend to give George Karl and the Nuggets organization too much slack while going after the Monforts and the Rockies without hesitation.
Finally I believe that Costa is right on the mark with many of the things he said and says on his shows about the Nuggets. If this is a site where most come to hope that George Karl gets fired, then Costa and his opinions on this subject should be met with approval more than anything else.
I didn't find his comments on the Nuggets today to be so much funny as I found them to be an accurate reflection of the disaster that this organization has become in a lot of ways.
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It's so sad that we are in the year 2008 and will still deal with race problem because we don't understand someone we label and belittle them. So sad!! But yet we listen to black music and cheer them on at every game. I bet costa won't say one word to those guy if face to face with them. You or all cowards and racist!!
Dino Costa = the Michael Savage of the sports radio world. So yes, I gather that hatred could be on his agenda.
Here's Dave Krieger--
Being unable to get your game together until you're down three games to none must be a symptom of some fairly serious psychological issue...
No kidding, Krieger. So let's see--
Basketball is a "team" sport. So that must be a group psychological issue, right? Maybe the issue has something to do with the Nuggets not functioning as a team.
If the Nuggets are "not a team", then what could cause that? or at least help it along?
It's the Coach! They need a Coach! Every "team" needs a Coach to mold them into a group and teach that group to win.
So go ahead, Krieger, blame the players for not molding themselves into a group that knows how to win.
What an idiot.
Briefly, I don't care about Costas appearance. He rants on about Karl being overweight...
Dino Costa just made me a fan of his radio show.
First time I have ever heard this guy. Where's he been hiding? He's in Denver? What is the Radio Colorado Network? This guy is brilliant and a kick in the ass to listen to. Funny shit!
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