10 reasons why I HATE Lakers "fans"...
by Andrew Feinstein on Apr 22, 2008 1:02 AM MDT
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Thanks to yet another mention of this blog by Henry Abbott at ESPN.com’s True Hoop, we were blitzed all day yesterday by Lakers "fans" talking trash about the Nuggets players and their fans. Since I’ve split my time between Denver and Los Angeles for the past several years, I’ve learned a thing or two about Lakers "fans" that I’ll share with you all today.But before I throw gasoline on the fire that’s already erupted between Lakers "fans" and Nuggets fans in the comments on this blog, I will give Lakers "fans" one morsel of credit. Like Denver Broncos and New York Yankees fans, Lakers "fans" deem any season that falls short of a championship a total failure and they demand immediate changes. Even though they have one of the best general managers and coaches in the NBA, Lakers "fans" hold them accountable for every move and every game (see http://www.firemitchkupchak.com/, which has been silent since May of 2007).
Alright, enough with the niceties. Here are 10 reasons why I hate Lakers "fans" (in reverse order)…
10) Half the courtside seats are empty in the first and third quarters of every game. I’m getting the obvious and least offensive complaint out of the way first.
9) They’re incapable of acknowledging a bad trade when it happens. When Caron Butler was traded for Kwame Brown, the general consensus in Los Angeles at the time was that this was a good thing. And no matter how many times I tried rubbing that trade in with my Lakers "fan" friends, I always got this reaction: "Caron played the same position as Kobe Bryant anyway, he had to go." Uh, no. Caron plays small forward and Kobe is a shooting guard. I’m sure Phil Jackson would’ve hated having to coach Kobe, Butler and Lamar Odom at the same time.8) They act like the entire league is obligated to ensure the Lakers success, and thus every team should be trading their best players to the Lakers for pennies on the dollar. (Hence why Memphis Grizzlies’ "General Manager" Chris Wallace must be a Lakers fan). This came up a lot during the Kevin Garnett discussion last summer when Lakers "fans" everywhere were befuddled as to why Minnesota wouldn’t accept Lamar Odom, Ronny Turiaf and a late first round pick for KG. Lakers "fans" took it as a personal insult that Minnesota wouldn’t bite on that paltry offer for one of the game’s greatest players of all time.
7) LA radio "personality" Vic "The Brick" Jacobs. If you don’t know who I’m talking about, look him up on Google, because he's a microcosm of Lakers "fans" everywhere. When the Knicks made the NBA Finals in 1999, Vic "The Brick" Jacobs, the supposed "Lakers Homer" (who, by the way, proclaimed Kobe’s innocence on the rape charge even though he didn’t have any of the facts) referred to the Knicks as "Vic’s Knicks" just because Jacobs was born in Queens. This would be like Sandy Clough – who thankfully isn’t a cartoonish figure like Jacobs – proclaiming last year’s Giants Super Bowl team as "Sandy’s Giants". Huh? I'm feelin' you, Vic!6) Seats that should go to real basketball fans are instead occupied by wives, girlfriends and escorts. (Although, in fairness to Lakers "fans", the plethora of escorts at every game makes any visit to Staples Center quite enjoyable…that is, of course, if you’re into fake breasts). The next time you go to a Lakers game, check out all the (one time) trophy wives of the courtside ticket holders. They literally just sit there in their awful "ladies’ suits" with dreadful Madeline Albright-style pins affixed to the lapel and do nothing while their husbands take in the game. These paid-off housewives are so bejeweled, they probably killed entire tribes of Sierra Leoneans just to get those diamonds to their wrinkled fingers. On a side note, I’m convinced that more Persian guys can credit Lakers games to getting themselves laid than any other event in Los Angeles, over even bottle service at Republic (or whatever this week’s hot Hollywood club hangout that I could never get into is) or renting a Ferrari for a night.
5) They’re the biggest bandwagon fans in the country and only support the Lakers when the team is really, really, really, really good. They’re such bandwagon fans, in fact, that when the Clippers were the better team two seasons ago, everyone in LA was suddenly a Clippers "fan" (just like everyone in LA was suddenly an Angels "fan" in 2002 and suddenly a Rams "fan" in 1999).
4) 85% of them aren’t from Los Angeles and, like newcomers to Scientology, these non-native Lakers "fan" converts are young, impressionable and gullible. Take my friend Jason from Boston, for example. No joke, after moving to LA, Jason (like others of his ilk) began wearing Lakers shorts. That’s right, a guy from Boston wearing Lakers shorts!! And he used the same bull---t line that all Boston natives pull on me when I catch them wearing Lakers gear: "I’m really just a Red Sox fan, anyway." Yeah, right. Like all you Boston frauds that live in LA weren’t snatching up NBA League Passes this year. (Note: this rant excludes my friend Dan from Boston who also lives in LA and actually had the League Pass when the Celtics won all of 24 games last season).3) Now that he’s out of town, they pretend like they never liked Shaquille O’Neal in the first place. All Shaq did for the Lakers organization was bring them four NBA Finals appearances and three rings while being incredibly active and charitable within the Los Angeles community and buying Mark Madsen a shiny, new car. Not only can’t you find a Shaq defender anywhere in LA these days, but Lakers "fans" will go out of their way to tell you why they hate Shaq: "he never worked hard," "he was always fat and out of shape," "he was a big baby," "he was a me-first guy," and the one that gets me the most, "those teams were boring to watch." Boring to watch? Four finals appearances and three rings were boring to watch?!!
2) They unmercifully defend Kobe Bryant. Whether he’s throwing his teammates like Shaq or Andrew Bynum under the bus, clobbering white defenders after jump shots, regularly spouting profanity-laced tirades at the referees for all the six year olds within earshot to hear, (allegedly) forcing himself sexually onto a female hotel worker in Colorado and subsequently paying her – and his wife – off, or throwing public hissy fits to get himself traded from the very team he wished for by demanding Shaq’s ouster, Bryant can do no wrong in the eyes of Lakers "fans". When Kobe got in trouble in Colorado for his – let’s say – "inappropriate actions," the reaction among Lakers Nation was: "let’s wait for the evidence" or "she was asking for it by going into his room" or "she’s a whore anyway, she slept with like five guys the day before and just wants some attention" and so on. You’d have thought Lakers "fans" everywhere had performed the DNA samples on the girl’s underwear themselves. And yet when any other athlete allegedly does something that runs afoul of the law, like Carmelo Anthony’s suspicion of getting a DUI, he’s most assuredly guilty in the eyes of Lakers "fans" – evident by their oh-so-clever "D-U-I" chant at Staples Center on Sunday.1) They’re in myopic denial of the favoritism the Lakers receive from the NBA.
Lakers "fans" claim that their team is subject to the same rules and regulations as the other 29 NBA teams, but this simply isn't true. Here are the indisputable examples…
-Since the Lakers can’t be bothered to play on Saturdays, they never have to play a back-to-back at the end of week…typically the most grueling games on the schedule. Moreover, while most teams (especially in the Western Conference) have to go into hostile territory for Saturday games where it’s the only thing in town to do, the Lakers never have to play those games. If you think it doesn’t matter, in 2007-08 road teams were a combined 12-28 on Saturday night games that took place in Portland, Utah, Sacramento, San Antonio, Memphis and Minneapolis.
-The Lakers have historically been given favorable treatment from the referees in supremely important games. One of the most famous examples of this was Game Six of the 2002 Western Conference Finals against the Sacramento Kings. With the Lakers down three games to two, the NBA was in danger of the Lakers not making it to the NBA Finals, so the refs ensured that the Lakers shot 34 free throw attempts to the Kings’ 18. While Game Six of 2002 might be more famous, the most egregious example was Game Seven of the 2000 Western Conference Finals against the Portland Trailblazers. Many site the Blazers demise in that game to their 3-of-18 shooting in the fourth quarter (which admittedly, was a huge factor in the loss), and yet everyone fails to recognize that the 21 free throw attempt differential in favor of the Lakers didn’t exactly help Portland’s cause, either.-Another example of a free ride from the refs came during Game Six of the 1988 NBA Finals against the Detroit Pistons. The Lakers were down three games to two, and down one point with 14 seconds to go. The Lakers fed the ball into Kareem Abdul-Jabbar for a hook shot, and Bill Laimbeer was called for a foul which, upon review in the replay, never happened. Don’t believe me? Watch the video.
-Shockingly, the dean of NBA referees (and USA Basketball wrecker) Stu Jackson admitted that the referees made an incorrect call this season that essentially gave a game to the Lakers when Derek Fisher pulled Monta Ellis down with 3.3 seconds left in the Warriors 123-119 loss to the Lakers in Oakland. Given that the Warriors missed the playoffs by just two games, I’m sure they were thrilled with the NBA’s diligence on this one.
-And of course, earlier this decade NBA Commissioner David Stern, when asked what teams would comprise his ideal NBA Finals, was quoted as saying "the Lakers vs. the Lakers."
But no, there’s no favoritism towards the Lakers out there.
Beating the Lakers in the playoffs is like beating the Republicans in Presidential Elections that take place in Ohio or Florida. You have to knock them out by an overwhelming majority of points/votes because if it's at all close, the game will be rigged against you. So let's overcome the odds and beat these Lakers already. Go Nuggets!!
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The fact that they feel they need to shit talk at all. I mean, this site was made by a guy who thinks the Nuggets stink in their current form.
This is a blog visited by people who know the Nuggets aren't going to make a run. When we got the 8th spot and had to visit the Lakers, pretty much everybody said it was over.
But still, Lakers fans come here and say "LOL YOU NUGGETS FANS, LAKERS WILL WIN!!!"
It's just funny, nobody has once said the Nuggets have a chance. Really, we Nuggets fans agree with the Lakers fans. But they still think they're clever and taking a "shot" at us.
by Chris C. on Apr 22, 2008 7:12 AM MDT reply actions
I think even if Karl is gone, you should maintain this website and maybe change its name because you're doing such a great job.
Thanks the list is true and funny.
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 7:41 AM MDT reply actions
Thats is what happens when their entire life was based of false and fake items. Dont worry, when fall short again, Kobe will want out, the fans will all dissapear and then blame stern for not wanting them in the finals
by danjustin on Apr 22, 2008 8:07 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 8:28 AM MDT reply actions
by chillz on Apr 22, 2008 8:30 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 9:42 AM MDT reply actions
by blue on Apr 22, 2008 9:47 AM MDT reply actions
No. 1 - A. Iverson, K. Martin, E. Najera, J. Smith, L. Kleiza (61)
No. 2 - A. Iverson, M. Camby, K. Martin, C. Anthony, Y. Diawara (60)
No. 7 - A. Iverson, M. Camby, A. Carter, K. Martin, C. Anthony (34)
Carter isn't in the top 5 combinations of this team... He appears with the starting Line-up at 7th... There no reason for him being on the floor because the No. 2 one has all 4 of our top players and Diawara. Basically Karl has played Carter at Point for his own purpose that hasn't brought success ever to this team.
by chillz on Apr 22, 2008 9:50 AM MDT reply actions
by Kyle on Apr 22, 2008 10:17 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 10:45 AM MDT reply actions
If i have any complaints about the guy other then the fact that he cant motivate... or maybe just cant gain the respect needed to motivate... is that he seems rather thick headed and unwilling to make changes based on his personal feelings about a player or the fact that him making a change somehow admits the he was wrong in the first place.
If he had any balls he would sit Anthony (not now, but previously) until he would try harder at the other end and not interject his starting lineup players back into a game when the bench is on fire.
The thing that sucks about this is I do think they will fire him after this year. And that will be a great day. But although i do think the player personal could use a change (like trading Camby (even though he is one of my Fav players. He just doesn't fit in) I wonder What Could Of Been had we had a better coach this whole time.
And lastly. It IS really childish for Lakers fans to come in here talking smack when we never were really thinking we were going to win anyhow. Hope yes but knowing most likely not. Its really mature to kick a team when there down when they weren't talking smack to you in the first place.
by Hal on Apr 22, 2008 10:59 AM MDT reply actions
by Peter Brickhart on Apr 22, 2008 11:40 AM MDT reply actions
Now being realistic is a by product of so many failures. Even the Broncos are alway getting us close then failing. The nuggets have failed for 5 years. The rockies always were failures until last year. But doesnt mean i wont go down swinging with them.
Most of us who think we will lose have watched enough sports to know what to expect....it doesnt mean you are rooting for the nuggets more...more than likely we will be the one screaming and breaking our remotes (which i did in game 1) and then paying the hefty price tag to go to game 3 and lose your voice (like i did last year)
by danjustin on Apr 22, 2008 11:50 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 12:21 PM MDT reply actions
Yes, I'm a Nuggets fan.
Let's make this a series, Nuggs!
by ohxten on Apr 22, 2008 1:00 PM MDT reply actions
Im actually going to the game Monday. That i paid for (as opposed to someone just giving them to me.)
I think that makes me a fan.
Assuming they aren't going to beat the Lakers is just stating the obvious. It doesn't mean i don't want them to win, hope they will win. I don't think that makes me less of a fan. Maybe bashing other nuggets fans would make me less of a fan.
by Hal on Apr 22, 2008 1:17 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 1:25 PM MDT reply actions
Reason 10: Half the courtside seats are empty...well yeah, duh! Those seats cost thousands of dollars, more that the average fan can afford! How is it the average fans fault that he/she cant buy the tickets and represent for the whole game? Its not! Dont confuse the real Laker fans with those in the front row...That being said is their a more "hard-core" fan than good-ole Jack Nicholson? I think not!
Reason 9: Way of base...Mitch Kuptchak was absolutely roasted on sports talk for the Kwame deal! Every time Kwame would drop a pass or make a bonehead move people would chant Butler at the game!
Reason 8: If anything teams have refused to trade good players to the Lkakers for fear of another Laker championship! The KG trade to Boston was simply one Celtic hooking up another...I knew that rat Ainge would never help the Lakers...and thats why its going to be sooo sweet to beat them in the finals...
Reason 7: I agree about Vic the Brick.
Reason 6: Again how is it the fault of TRUE Laker fans that those seats are unaffordable? Your thesis is week at best.
Reason 5: This is the most off base of your generalizations...The Lakers constantly sell out games, the Angels did too! The Rams, well they used to draw 100,000 fans to the coliseum WEEKLY! And again your week thesis resurfaces...Your post is about LAKER fans but you lump in Clipper, Ram and Angel fans...Why not include the Dodgers? Thats right, because they are the top drawing team in MLB...And speaking of BANDWAGON fans how about your stinkin Rockies? How fast did all you Denver fans return all your Rockies gear to the store when they got worked in the WS? LAME.
Reason 4: Yuop your right alot of Laker fans arent native angelenos...lets see, I wonder why? Hmm...maybe because LA is a disireable place to live in, hence people move here and wanna be fans of a succesfull team..could that be it? I dont see a mass migration to Denver...I wonder why?
Reason 3: People still support Shaq, theres still plenty of Shaq jersies in the crowd...I personally cant stand him because if he would have stayed in shape, played hard the whole season and been adult enough to realize that it was Kobe';s turn to shine hed still be here and we would have won 2 or 3 more rings!
Reason 2: Yeah we defend Kobe...BECAUSE HE WAS INNOCENT! He wasnt convicted of ANYHTHING! Its hypocritical for you to trash Kobe when you have a team full of wife beaters, drunk drivers and punks like Melo who like to suker-punch other players!
Reason 1: This is where your argument falls apart...First you say there arent true Laker fans, but you claim that the NBA favors the Lakers! IF the NBA favors the Lakers would it be because of the HUGE fan-base? CONTRADICTION!
Fact of the matter is that teams or fans of team that are HATED on are usually the MOST succesfull and dominating....hence your jelousy and resentment...I cant wait till we sweep your sorry team out of the Playoffs and your squad is blown up! Can you chant re-build...re-build...re-build!
p.s. We will be happy to take Kleiza off your hands since hes one of the true talents on your sqaud...well talent that doesnt beat his wife, throw her naked on the street...Yup IVERSON! "Practice? Practice?" He should practice his freethrows!
Ill take our 14 championship over you, uhmmm ZERO titles any day! GO LAKERS!
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 1:56 PM MDT reply actions
Once the excitement from game 1 died down, we stopped mattering to them. They think we're roadkill and can be ignored.
Soon we'll see if they're right.
Anthony Carter left his wallet in El Segundo.
by Petey on Apr 22, 2008 2:01 PM MDT reply actions
http://money.cnn.com/2006/12/22/real_estate/fastest_growing_states/index.htm
yep colorado is higher on that list than california....so i wonder how many more statements were false....
Its funny how laker fans come to an ANTI-KARL blog for NUGGET fans. Are you little boys scared or something?
Do you think yankee fans go to tampa bay boards? LOL nope
by danjustin on Apr 22, 2008 2:08 PM MDT reply actions
Dude, you guys live in LA. You'd think there, more than anywhere else, there'd be plenty of people who can afford front-row seats.
by ohxten on Apr 22, 2008 2:40 PM MDT reply actions
10 reasons to hate Laker fans? C'mon you have to be able to do better than that. After all, if it was not for the lakers you would be stuck watching the Nuggets.
Couple things:
1) you lived here and should know this. If you work in an office almost anywhere in the city, getting to a 7:00 tip is impossible. Laker fans battle traffic to get to games. Denver fan gets to the game on time because Denver is a small town (with a bad team).
2)Shaq hate. Really? I still love Shaq and so does every other fan I know. He will always be a Laker to L.A. fans.
3) Fake boobs and trophy wives. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Maybe Denver women can begin by shaving their legs. You might find a couple diamonds in the rough.
4) Jason: that is not a bad Laker fan, that is a bad Boston fan. I hear he kicks people when he plays basketball. What's up with that? Only in Boston.
Otherwise, your gripes are nothing new. They reflect the pain of a fan of a lesser team.
And by the way, rooting for a bad team for your whole life does not make you a better fan. It makes you stubborn.
by MCiriel on Apr 22, 2008 3:21 PM MDT reply actions
I am really hoping this happens. I don't care if it's Kleiza or Smith, but they need to share the minutes at the 2 spot. Maybe give AC a couple of minutes at the end of the fourth after we blow this game wide open.
#1 reason I hate the Lakers, they have no lakes... That doesn't even make any sense. Minneapolis anyone...
by Shaun on Apr 22, 2008 3:24 PM MDT reply actions
And lot of us REALLY were not impressed by Shaq and his brutish abilities, championships or not.
I don't care about fans joining the bandwagon. Winning does that. Look at the Red Sox. And it's not like the true fanatics can do anything about that.
But you can hate us Lakers fans for the rest of those points. They're more or less true.
by Allen on Apr 22, 2008 3:38 PM MDT reply actions
Empty front row seats? Really that's something you hate? That's just petty. There's a reason there are empty seats up there: Because when those seats are filled it's Nicholson, Denzel, Tobey Maguire and other loaded people sitting in those seats.
And if you know anything about Lakers fans you would know that we respect what he did for us but hate the crap we heard that happened behind the scenes and the vitriol he spews after he leaves. There's a reason why THREE FRANCHISES (Orlando, LA and now Miami) all hate Shaq despite the success he brought.
As for Kobe, do you want us to NOT defend our guy? That's just stupid. I've read reports that stated that the girl from Denver had his room changed from the original room Kobe was booked for and personally delivered things to him which was NOT part of her job description. It was then that the girl decided to pull out and accept a settlement.
In any case, I read in the LATimes that Kobe said the DUI chants were uncalled for. And it's pretty hypocritical to be upset about this when Denver fans killed Kobe unmercifully in 2003 with rapist chants and worse.
I'm a Laker fan, but also an NBA fan. I love the site after just learning about it yesterday. It's hilarious.
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 3:41 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 3:44 PM MDT reply actions
Looking at the comments above, Chris said that Lakers fans have been visiting and talking shit, I have to admit Chris, there are morons in every city, including mine!! (I think there might actually be more stupid people in LA than the rest of the US combined, at least from some people i've met).
The more I read on this blog though, the more I like it, keep up the good work!!
by Lakers Blog on Apr 22, 2008 3:46 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 3:59 PM MDT reply actions
by bend on Apr 22, 2008 4:04 PM MDT reply actions
I don't know if most NBA fans around the country are just generally not well-informed (I suspect not), but for the most part people here in LA definitely are not. One thing though about the fans here, and people in general who live in Los Angeles, is most of them are not from LA; and ironically most of the things that people tend to hate about people here are usually a result of how the transplants really are as opposed to the natives. I think many people move here for whatever weird reasons, foremost probably being a desire to be "discovered" or something, and as a result LA has ended up being like a Mecca for attention whores.
Back to the Lakers though, the result of so many transplants here is you get an extremely fickle sports fan base since so few people actually grew up here watching any of these teams. People move here and then when a team is great they jump right on the bandwagon. I don't know if that's why there are so many infuriatingly annoying Laker fans around the web posting 'OMG KOBE RULZ!' over and over, or if they're just 13 year olds scattered around who see the team on TV all the time and adopt them as their own, in the lamest way possible.
I think the complaints about the crowd at Staples Center being heavily populated by trophy wives and arm candy, and the general disinterest of many of the fans there (at least the ones visible on TV during broadcasts) is ultimately due to LA being such an entertainment hub, with many firms and companies buying high-profile tickets to use while they are trying to impress clients. This probably goes on to some extent everywhere else, but it's to an insane scale here. This same kind of thing makes going to concerts in LA a rather annoying experience as well, since most good seats are always set aside for "industry people".
I should probably say something related to the series while I'm here. While the Lakers appeared to be "impressive" in Game 1, and the mismatches inside of Gasol & Odom have me wondering if Denver will be able to stop the Lakers, as a Laker fan I was actually rather underwhelmed by how Game 1 went. Everyone knows the Lakers have talent and run their offense pretty well most of the time, and anyone who follows the NBA probably could predict that would make it tough for Denver; but I was rather disturbed seeing how lackadaisical the Lakers looked for long stretches, and how selfish Kobe looked all game. This is not intended to be a put down to you Nuggets fans at all, but the Lakers may be able to beat Denver while doing that crap, but they're gonna get their asses handed to them by teams like Phoenix, New Orleans, San Antonio, Boston or Detroit if they play like that throughout the playoffs. Watching Game 1 had me more and more doubtful about their ultimate chances of winning the title this year, in spite of all the moron Laker fans trumpeting the win like it was the greatest thing ever.
One complaint I do have about the list in this entry though is the prevailing theory that the league is trying to prop up the Lakers, especially when people try to point to FT disparities back with the Shaq-led teams. The strategy of most teams against those Lakers was to intentionally foul Shaq and send him to the line as much as possible, and you saw this used a lot by both Portland and Sacramento way back when; so to hear people simply point to that stat now as some kind of conspiracy evidence is annoying and disingenuous. When I hear people floating conspiracy theories like that about the NBA I generally say two things: 1) Why haven't the Knicks won a title in almost 40 years (being that they play in the league's biggest market) and 2) if you really think the sport is rigged, why do you watch it?
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 4:07 PM MDT reply actions
by Piato on Apr 22, 2008 4:23 PM MDT reply actions
by Nataly on Apr 22, 2008 5:05 PM MDT reply actions
10.) Fans buying food and drinks in preparation for a good show offends you? I've just stopped going to the concession stands during halftime, since there is no way in hell to make it back in time.
9.) Are you crazy? No one in LA, with any knowledge of basketball, thought trading Caron for Kwame was a good move. Even in LA, Caron Butler was an aggressive scorer that hit free-throws in crunch time.
8.) For a team that got The Answer for Andre Miller and trash, you're a pot calling the kettle black. If Ainge and McHale weren't past teammates, there wouldn't have been such accusations, and frankly, Garnett isn't worth Lamar Odom and Andrew Bynum.
7.) Yup, he's trash.
6.) It's Los Angeles, Glamour City, Hollywood, blah blah blah. Do you have any idea how much front row seats cost, any of the front sections for that matter, at the Staples Center? The real fans are up at the <$50 seats in the uppermost sections. Front row seats? Stars trying to get face time and rich guys that buy front row tickets because it's "the thing to do."<BR/><BR/>5.) Nice generalization. Denver is a crappy city in a crappy state, so everyone living there must be crappy, right?<BR/><BR/>4.) Can't argue with that, but I'm sure if people actually cared to move to Denver and become a Nuggets fan, you wouldn't have a gripe about it. Are you mad?
3.) Shaq was a huge part in us winning the championships, can't argue with that. However, Kobe's main criticism towards Shaq was that he was out of shape and unwilling to work out, yet Shaq manages to lose 30 pounds in the months after he was traded.
2.) The "DUI chant" was juvenile and uncalled for. However, it isn't like the Denver crowd never did such a thing when Kobe played there, right? If Kobe and Melo swapped histories and incidents, I'm sure Denver would have done the same.
1.) Yup, the NBA clearly favors us. I mean, obviously, we have accomplished so much over the past few seasons that it's undisputable, and all thanks to the NBA.
It's also funny that in the comments, I don't see any of the Lakers fan that come and act immature that they're complaining about. ESPN comments? Really? You actually read ESPN comments, and then complain that Laker fans are post in an article about the Lakers?
Good blog, I enjoy reading it, but there's a lot of bullshit floating around. Jealousy? Maybe.
by Yes, I am a Lakers fan on Apr 22, 2008 5:54 PM MDT reply actions
As for defending Kobe, I'm sure every team defends their star player. We don't jump to conclusions about the alleged rape because the US justice system's mantra is "innocent until proven guilty." What a terrible thing, to wait for evidence for a serious accusation. Sorry if we're not so quick to condemn a man. Oh, and I don't agree with the DUI chants, since Melo's blood tests haven't come back yet.
I can't let this go. My apologies. Referring to danjustin's link, the only reason why Colorado is higher on that list is because it ranks based on percentage increased. With countries, those that are developing tend to grow at a faster GDP percentage rate than developed countries. The actual aggregate increase is incomparable because the difference between one percent between two countries can be huge. For example, if you were measuring population growth, if a country had one person and increased by one person, it would be an increase of 100%, but if a country had 100 people and increased by one, it would only be a 1% increase. Check the actual difference, not the percentage change, and you'll notice that the influx of people into California more than triples Colorado.
And if you were wondering why so many Laker fans are here, we were linked.
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 6:09 PM MDT reply actions
It's really getting old. We get the fact that the _______________ fans out there think the __________ are going to win. I'm sure it's possibly getting quite boring wondering where the _________ will put their next trophy. We understand that your team's star, ______ ___________, is far superior to Allen Iverson/Carmelo Anthony (circle one or both).
We also understand your unrelenting desire to prove that your team, the ___________, is far superior to the Nuggets. After all, it is your rightful manifest destiny to expand the influence of the ____________ over Denver, by continuing to demonstrate how superior the _____________ way of fan life is compared to Denver's. We get it. It is your job to do this because if you don't, who will?
After you have printed out the previous message and filled in the appropriate answers, please post it next to your computer and refer to it prior to posting. This will be a continual reminder that you have already stated all of these facts to this group of fans and that we've heard you loud and clear. You won't have to argue with anyone or try and convince the fans of this franchise to simply award this game/series/season/championship/universe to you and we won't have to argue in return that, as fans of this franchise, we wish to believe that we have a chance to win any game/series/etc that we are playing in.
Thank you.
by danjustin on Apr 22, 2008 7:56 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 7:57 PM MDT reply actions
Laker fans complain about the KG trade because LA offered all the goodies - Odom, Bynum, Kwamster, Critt, future picks. I'd rather have that package than Jefferson and junk.
Caron played the same position as Odom 'bro', that was the big complaint back in the Rudy three season. LA needed size, Caron is all they had to move, therego he be gone.
LA fans don't expect teams to trade them something for nothing, but after the years Jerry West raped the entire league dominating the front office landscape - LA fans recognize that teams aren't about to help the Lakers, especially teams that currently employ ex-boston players from the 80's.
Vic the Brick - yeahs he epitomizes an idiot. Kobe does no wrong, LA is the best, blah yab etc, dude is an idiot.
Throphy wifes - errr yeah, Like those don't exist at other arenas.
On being bandwagon fans - do you realize the season ticket renewell rate never dropped during the lotto season, nor through the last few years? I just got season tickets this year - guess how long I had to wait to get them - 2 years. Think about that.
The Lakers recieve favarotism in the NBA? Maybe, but than so does Cleveland, or just about any other team featuring a league superstar.
And we hate Shaq? You go to staples nowadays you'll still see Shaq Jerseys, Shaq is still loved in LA, his jersey will be retired in LA, and people will applaud him for his work.
Sounds like someone just is spewing the haterade, good luck in the future with George Karl and the great DUO of AI and Melo leading your attack, just make sure Karl and Melo don't go on a bender.
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 9:40 PM MDT reply actions
Sad, really, when Mutumbo was the best player you've ever had.
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 10:27 PM MDT reply actions
In my little world, I can't imagine caring less about anything than what Lakers fans think of the Nuggets or Denver or Colorado. In my world, I can't imagine taking a whit of satisfaction in taunting another city or its fans or its teams.
Like I said, I've apparently lost touch with reality.
by catcalls on Apr 22, 2008 10:29 PM MDT reply actions
"10) Half the courtside seats are empty in the first and third quarters of every game."
ALL GAME?, or maybe just the 1st 5 minutes, due to the fact people have to use restrooms, buy food and alcohol, and go to the team store, impretty sure ALL arenas are like this during the 1st and 3rd quarters
"9) They’re incapable of acknowledging a bad trade when it happens."
kwame was supposed to be a PF, which would make lamar odom and caron fighting for the same spot, thats why he got traded because we needed size, you do know we only had chris mihm as our center, like hes a beast
"8) They act like the entire league is obligated to ensure the Lakers success, and thus every team should be trading their best players to the Lakers for pennies on the dollar"
at least get the correct offer right idiot, the offer was lamar odom, andrew bynum, kwame brown, and our 1st round pick, and by the way odom AND bynum were playing this year, i guess that offer isnt so bad after all
"7) LA radio "personality" Vic "The Brick" Jacobs."
vic is an idiot, most of the people that listen to him know that but he gives insightful knowledge .... sometimes
"6) Seats that should go to real basketball fans are instead occupied by wives, girlfriends and escorts."
do you even know how much a season seat is in the front rows at staples? we have THE MOST expensive seats in the league and over a 2 year waiting period to even get boondock seats, btw, you do know this is HOLLYWOOD, there are a significant amount of actors and famous people here that buy close seats, im assuming thats why theres no celebrities in denver except maybe the whole denver broncos squad
"5) They’re the biggest bandwagon fans in the country and only support the Lakers when the team is really, really, really, really good."
this one's really hilarious, then why did we have constant SOLD OUT games the 3 years after shaq? just wondering, as far as i know we only had a 3% drop in ticket sales since that time
"4) 85% of them aren’t from Los Angeles and, like newcomers to Scientology, these non-native Lakers "fan" converts are young, impressionable and gullible."
wow, 85% of the fans here arent from LA, that in itself is hilarious, thats like saying 100% of yankess fans arent from new york, LOL, what an outlandish statement
"3) Now that he’s out of town, they pretend like they never liked Shaquille O’Neal in the first place."
youre somewhat right, some people here hate shaq cuz he disrespected our city and the other half still love him for what he did but we can never forget the 3 championships he helped us get
"2) They unmercifully defend Kobe Bryant."
so youre saying hes guilty? and that carmelo is innocent? when did this happen, oh and about the profanity laced tirades, im only assuming you mean hes the ONLY nba player to do that, like i cant hear 99.9% of the players in the nba shout "fuck", "bitch", "shit" on court during games on tv, youre clever
"1) They’re in myopic denial of the favoritism the Lakers receive from the NBA."
i could of sworn the nuggets just shot more FT's than the lakers the other night, maybe thats just me and nba.com but i guess you know the facts
by PhifeDogg76 on Apr 22, 2008 11:08 PM MDT reply actions
First the Lakers, anyone who thinks that the Lakers would be where they are is dumb. Phil Jackson is the best coach in the NBA because he does something that very few coaches in the league do. He incorporates a college style of basketball in his Triangle Offense. And he makes sure that he has a part in his players lives outside of basketball, that is why MJ didn't want to play for another coach.
Now the Nuggets,
A lot of people call the players that the Nuggets have thugs. (Really they are just racist, because a thug refers to someone who is a murderer.) The Nuggets greatest problem is the Lakers greatest strength. The Nuggets are not a family. What do I mean by this, the Nuggets roster has way too many DNP, thus their are a lot of players on the Nuggets that aren't great scorers, but are tremendous defenders ie Diawara and Hunter. George Karl preaches defense yet doesn't put players on the court who thrive on defense because of this the Nuggets lack unity.
Structure and Unity are the two things these teams lack similarities in. It's probably too late, but I believe that the Nuggets need to build a culture to their team that everyone can relate too. I know AI believes they can beat everyone, but he believed that when he was winning only 30+ games.
The cure for the Nuggets problems, is a structured culture, something that is consistent about your team.
Can George Karl provide that?
by j2y2k3 on Apr 22, 2008 11:46 PM MDT reply actions
9.) The general consensus around Laker Nation was that Kwame for Caron was a good deal. Why is that? Because the Lakers power forward and center positions at the time was laughable. In the 2004-2005 season, the starter Divac barely ever touched the floor, Brian Cook (who still sucks) was a sophomore, Brian Grant was a finished player who had knee problems, and don't even get me started on Slava. Chris Mihm, a perennial bench player in the league, was really the only possible big to play with Lamar.
When Phil Jackson decided to return to the Lakers, a move that almost immediately followed was a trade for Kwame Brown. Why is this? Phil wanted Lamar at the 3 (and he still does, seeing as we currently have a healthy line-up of Bynum/Gasol/Odom on the front line. If you can remember back to that free agency period, it was tough to find a big that had triangle potential. Kwame was used horribly in Washington, both by getting unfair treatment by management and in gameplans. In high school, he had midrange game, his a big physical defender, and was known as a good passing big. Basically, he was a triangle PF.
Was L.A. even going to re-sign Butler? Hell no. You don't put money into a position that you already have (Lamar at SF). Therefore, you trade for potential when there is nothing else. Kwame, even though he struggled, still had that potential. There is a reason Darko got big money from Memphis, Nene got 60 million from the Nuggets, and Dampier got treated like royalty by the Mavericks.
8.) I don't know who you talked to on this subject, but as a standing member of one of the largest laker fansites (clublakers.com), I know for a fact that virtually 95% of fans weren't "befuddled as to why Minnesota wouldn’t accept Lamar Odom, Ronny Turiaf and a late first round pick for KG". Do you know what many fans wanted this summer when Kobe wanted out? They wanted to deal Odom, Bynum, Kwame's expiring, and the 19th overall pick. They wanted to keep Kobe SO badly they were willing to gut the team for a HOFer like Garnett. That package easily rivals the one from Boston. I don't understand what point you were trying to make here, because you obviously read the opinion of a Laker fan that doesn't understand the game and decided to spin it into all Laker fans in general.
6.) Saying anything about the wives of players being at games is laughable. They are people, people buy seats, therefore they can sit there. It seems that you more-or-less dislike the type of people that occupy these seats. Shame on you for passing judgement on others. And now that I think about it, maybe it's because you don't have the money to buy one if the Nuggets even make it back to Staples in this first round series.
5.) Every single team in every single sport has bandwagon fans. You're talking to someone who lives in Boston. Before I continue to make my point, I was never a Celtic, Patriot, Sox, or Bruins fan. I was born in Vermont and was a fan of Kobe Bryant from the beginning of his career. The only other team I like is the 49ers and that's because my Dad is a huge fan and always has been. Regardless, as someone that lives in the state that currently is feeling the most success of any in the country, I can safely talk about bandwagon fans with completely certainty. The Red Sox? Yeah they've had a fantastic fan base for decades, but you should see it now that they're competitive year after year. It's disgusting to hear people sing "Sweet Caroline" at the park when 6 years ago they wouldn't even turn on the TV to watch Mo Vaughn hit a towering shot. The Patriots are the same way; when Tom Brady took over, Patriot fever took over. The Bruins? No one really cared until they made it a series against Montreal!
That brings me to the Celtics. As someone who has gone to Laker/Celtics games every season
for the past 7, I can tell you straight up that they have one incredible bandwagon fan base. Remember those MVP chants in Boston last season? You know, the ones that ESPN said was done by Celtic fans? Those were from Laker fans in the house that seemed more dedicated to their team in a city where they should feel most hated. Were they all die-hards like me? Most likely not, they are probably now sporting a KG jersey and trying to get tickets to the NBA Finals.
The point I'm trying to make is, winning creates fans no matter where you go. It's not just L.A..
4.) A lot of the points I wanted to make about this are in the paragraphs above. Let me add that a true fan is a true fan no matter what. So what I was born in New England and I love the Lakers? I read books on their history, I get League Pass every season, and I go to games. I stuck with them as they went from the top of the mountain back down to the bottom.
Any one that does that with their team is a fan.
3.) Any true Laker fan will admit Shaquille O'Neal was the primary factor for those three championship rings. However, his demanding of a trade after wanting a ridiculous contract extension shows SOME true colors. Shaq wanted 30 million a season, and at his age, you cannot justify that kind of money when Kobe Bryant, the leagues rising star, is about to get his first massive contract that he 100% deserved. This was a situation where Shaq SHOULD have taken less (you know, like 4 years, 60 million? I mean, is that not GREAT money for someone on the downswing of his career) to stay in L.A. and make a few more runs at a title.
Laker fans were also justified in their comments about Shaq not trying hard. He hurt his toe on company time so he heals it on company time? Give me a break. Anyone with any heart in the game would have had that surgery a week after the season was over. He waits, misses the first 13 games in a competitive Western Conference, and makes Kobe Bryant take a team of aging vets on his back with Samaki Walker and Horry as his PF/C combo. What leader does that?
Every fan will cheer when Shaq has his jersey retired in L.A., but at the same time, he should have RETIRED in L.A. and realized that the team was not all about him anymore.
2.) Yes, we do defend Kobe to no end. What's the harm in that? He's the franchise. He grew up a Laker. He's our "child". Others bash him because he's not the LeBron James of the league anymore. He threw Bynum under the bus? Yes, he did. Look up what Jordan did to his teammates. He clobbers defenders on shots? It's in the last seconds of the game, he's trying to make contact. What if Reggie Miller injured someone with one of his kick-outs when he tried to make contact? He swears on the court? You can't tell me that doesn't happen every game by virtually every player. I mean, have you ever SEEN Garnett play?
I literally laughed out loud reading your take on the Colorado incident (which WAS wrong. He didn't rape anyone, but he cheated on the mother of his children. I cannot support that). So what is the reaction was "let’s wait for the evidence", this is a TRIAL. You wait for evidence in ANY trial. What were you trying to prove here?
The D.U.I. chant was embarassing to me as a fan. What's funny is, Lakers owner Jerry Buss was in house. What did he get arrested for this summer? You cannot base an entire fanbase on the actions of those in the seats during the game. Being a sociologist, being in an arena setting with high emotions, intensity, alcohol, can make people do things they would otherwise regret.
1.) We get all the calls huh? Case in point: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6SpBM8dB4k
While there have been some questionable ones in our direction over the years, what about recently? What about the Dwyane Wade foul fest that GAVE the Heat the title? What about not calling an obvious travel on LeBron when he makes a game winner in the playoffs against Washington as he drives baseline? The refs dictate games, and you cannot blame a team and the success they have on forces beyond their control.
by Kobe Bryant 8 on Apr 22, 2008 11:47 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 22, 2008 11:50 PM MDT reply actions
AND WHOEVER WROTE THIS CRAP LOOKS TO BE A TOTAL LOSER AND A PERSON THAT HAS NO LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LAKERS ARE GOING TO FUKING SWEEP UR ASSESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
by fukthenuggetsandtheirfans on Apr 23, 2008 12:47 AM MDT reply actions
by Matt on Apr 23, 2008 4:13 AM MDT reply actions
http://lakers.topbuzz.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=162270#162270
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by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 8:02 AM MDT reply actions
The reason kobe is hated in Denver is because it was an act, whether rape or not, against our community, a person from our community, maybe our neighbor, maybe your co-worker's daughter. People don't understand that...that's why there is kobe hate, not because we're jealous of his 3 rings as Robin to Shaq's Batman.
one last thing to all the people from LA who insist that everyone moves to LA because it's a much better place than Denver...i'd say 80% of the non-natives in Denver have moved here from So-Cal...seriously.
by blue on Apr 23, 2008 8:33 AM MDT reply actions
Or is that around the time you were born.
by Marmatard on Apr 23, 2008 9:04 AM MDT reply actions
Hmmmm...so your saying that even if it was consensual sex it was wrong!? Why is that? Because he's a basketball player? Because he's not from Denver? Or maybe, just maybe could it be because he's black? WOW Nugget fan, reading between YOUR lines reveals you to be a rascist! I shouldnt be surprised since Denver is and will continue to be a backwater town.
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 9:53 AM MDT reply actions
Whatta Fan!
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 10:06 AM MDT reply actions
"The reason kobe is hated in Denver is because it was an act, whether rape or not, against our community, a person from our community, maybe our neighbor, maybe your co-worker's daughter."
That is PRECISELY the reason why Kobe settled. People in Colorado wanted him locked up even though insurmountable amount of circumstantial evidences heavily hinted that there was no foul play. Now just think: a vicious and a scary black man facing a rape charge of an 'innocent and pure (I can't even type this with a straight face) white all-american girl', infront of a most if not all white jury. Who probably shared your own line of vindictive perspective on an outsider committing sin against your own. Can you really blame Kobe for settling?
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 10:10 AM MDT reply actions
:)
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 10:50 AM MDT reply actions
"The life you save, may be his or your loved ones."
You don't coddle a drunk, just because he's your teams superstar.
F.A.D.D
Fans Against Drunk Driving
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 11:01 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 11:09 AM MDT reply actions
WHAT A JOKE! WHAT A BUNCH WHINERS YOU DENVER FREAKS ARE. ESPECIALLY THIS FREAK WHO WROTE IT!!!! Your team sucks and you know it. You can't win so you have some one sided moron write a blog about why he hats Laker fans. Don't you love how he used quotes around fans the whole time too!! what a stud!!! Like we aint real fans or something...you dumbsh*t. Just because things don't go your way, you say we cheat and get preferential treatment. What ever, its just anther reason for you to complain about your piss poor team. You don't have a shot at winning, and you never will. This isn't a shot at you "fans" it's the truth and I'm sorry your lame reporters chose to bag on real fans when he has such crappy fans right here to talk about. You people are the same everywhere. When the Lakers are good, you bag on the fans cause we know it. Just Like every other city with a team so shut up and roll over like you do every year and just lay there and sweat! BIATCHES!
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 11:13 AM MDT reply actions
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by Ace on Apr 23, 2008 11:34 AM MDT reply actions
This list was written entirely tongue-in-cheek.
It pretty much can be said about nearly every fan base.
Calm down and appreciate the humor.
Andrew does not think (nor do most of the regular posters here) that the Nuggets are going to win (REGARDLESS of whether or not they want them to), so posting "OMG LOLLERSKATES TEH LAKES R GUNNA SWEEP U!!!!1!!11!" just clogs up the comments section.
Enjoy the series.
by Chris on Apr 23, 2008 12:31 PM MDT reply actions
And don't worry, we have the 3rd richest county in the US as well as our fake boob and celebrity laden city to go with it (Aspen).
by Jaytae on Apr 23, 2008 12:33 PM MDT reply actions
ha...
HA!!!
As a Lakers fan this was like looking into a mirror. So funny because it's so true.
by chadnisha on Apr 23, 2008 12:49 PM MDT reply actions
Why don't you compile a 24 reason list of why you hate us Lakers fans??? This way, you can write all your 10 little reasons, add them to our 14 NBA titles, add the Nuggets ZERO Titles and get the number on the jersey of the player who will kick your @$$ for the next few games your season will last...
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 1:55 PM MDT reply actions
by Gracie on Apr 23, 2008 2:04 PM MDT reply actions
The Lakers have loyal, everyday fans, as well as bandwagon fans, just like every professional franchise in the history of organized sports. To highlight only one segment of the fan population is a dishonest way to build your flimsy argument.
Also, any team Shaq plays on gets more free throw as a consequence of the Hack-a-Shaq defense (just as the Spurs employed in the first half of last nights game). So comparing free throws as a way of showing league bias is an erroneous use of evidence.
Good luck with your blog and enjoy the rest of the playoffs.
by Kid Licorice on Apr 23, 2008 2:35 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 2:37 PM MDT reply actions
"cry me a river"
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 3:22 PM MDT reply actions
All your Aspen are belong to us!
GO LAKERS!
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 4:27 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 4:32 PM MDT reply actions
As for smack talking, that's par for the course. I don't mind someone talking smack, it's part of why "I love this game" (lil plug there). Real Laker fans say bring on san Antonio & phoenix & dallas then beat boston in boston for ultimate glory. And as for vic, he lost my love when he rooted for the clippers a couple of years back. The bamboo broke! (inside joke)
Kobe; yeah, he's been getting a lil nuts with words for the refs, he does stall the offense when he's trying to do his thing (like against k-mart), he did step out on his wife and threw down with that chick from colorado. But did he rape her?? was he convicted? no. If she had any integrity then why, rather than prove her case and send a rapist to jail so he can't hurt anyone else, what did she do? SHE TOOK THE CASH. The DA didn't have a solid case, they bowed out with as much cash as they could before this whole thing was thrown out. So, all of this being said, I agree with pretty much all that you said but you're not talking about real Lakers' fans. Just like true Dodger fans do not root for the Angels & True Kings fans do not root for the Ducks. As for tonight's game 2, Good luck? No not really, I don't think so. I want the Lakers to win and I hope they do it as convincing as ever. And if you're a real fan for your team, I think you'd pretty much say the same thing.
by RealLakerFan on Apr 23, 2008 5:50 PM MDT reply actions
wow, okay, are you hating cuz u aint got no courtside seats to waste?
9.They’re incapable of acknowledging a bad trade when it happens.
okay, so when we don't say something it's us laker fans fault, and when we speak out for a trade (KG trade, reason number 8), it's still our fault?
8.They act like the entire league is obligated to ensure the Lakers success, and thus every team should be trading their best players to the Lakers for pennies on the dollar.
Hell, what the heck did Boston give the Wolves? They didn't even have a Lamar in there.
7.LA radio "personality�� Vic "The Brick�� Jacobs.
What the hell does that have to do with us laker fans? So one's bad, we all bad?
6.Seats that should go to real basketball fans are instead occupied by wives, girlfriends and escorts.
well, damn, get a relative who plays in the NBA, and maybe you can sit there looking like an idiot. And why can't they watch the game wearing ladies' suits?
5.They’re the biggest bandwagon fans in the country and only support the Lakers when the team is really, really, really, really good.
Do you even have any evidence to prove that? Watch the Lakers vs Clippers game back in 05, and check out the stands, that will shut u up!
4. 85% of them aren’t from Los Angeles and, like newcomers to Scientology, these non-native Lakers "fan�� converts are young, impressionable and gullible.
Holy moly, you have to be the area where the team is to be the team's fan?! Wow, this is probably the stupidest reason for a person to hate another person. And give me some hard fact to prove me that 85% you threw out there?
3. Now that he’s out of town, they pretend like they never liked Shaquille O’Neal in the first place.
I never liked him in the first place, cuz i was a Kobe fan all my life time. And why do we have to pretend?
2.They unmercifully defend Kobe Bryant.
What the hell is wrong with fans defending their idol? You are defending your Anthony, why can't we do that with Kobe? And back in 04, why you talking like you denver people never chanted anything while Kobe was there? And if that case went on, Kobe would have won it anyway, yes they did have sex, but it was no effing sexual assualt, if you have a brain, you would of thought of that!
1.They’re in myopic denial of the favoritism the Lakers receive from the NBA.
Wow, thanks alot for bringing something out thats from like 20 years ago, and do you ever watch Cavs play? Watch LeBron play these days, and you'll know what favortism really is. And with that bad call on Ellis, the lakers were winning ok? it's not like the Lakers was down and won the game with those FTs! You just know that the Warriors were gonna make that shot, dont ya?
And back to top of your god damn article, you had a link which is http://www.firemitchkupchak.com/, I'm sorry, did i miss something? What's your website's link again? OH! http://www.firegeorgekarl.com/
by Rick Yang on Apr 23, 2008 6:39 PM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 7:50 PM MDT reply actions
They think they're the New York Yankees of basketball but the fact is that organization has not even half the class and even less of the respect, relatively speaking.
You could insert ANY high scoring guard in Kobe's place and the fans in LA would be screaming "MVP". They don't give a shit about the game or the people who play it. All they care about is seeing and being seen. Typically shallow, pretentious LA bullshit.
In a race towards ultimate fan idiocy, most of the folks in Los Angeles who pretend to be Lakers fans are a close runner-up to Philadelphia Eagles fans.
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Nene has not played in years and AC should not be in the game.
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by Anonymous on Apr 23, 2008 9:36 PM MDT reply actions
Oh well at least Jack looks as if he's in command. Maybe he should coach the Nuggets, it can't get any worse.
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As for why there are seats open in LA courtside on game days......traffic. Traffic is notoriously bad here and the greater Los Angeles area is very big. People drive sometimes 100 or more miles, through a great deal of traffic, to get to Laker games. Also, there is a lot to do in LA. People might be distracted.
As regards whether people defend indefensible trades-again, ridiculous oversimplification. There is a great deal of debate about the decency of any trade, just as there is in any city. There were many who didn't care for the trade of Shaq to Miami. People were split on the Cook/Evans for Ariza trade. Similarly for Caron Butler trade for Kwame.
One other thing, don't think there aren't groupies and overly made up b-ball wives/girlfriends in every city. It's just this is near Hollywood which happens to be the home of entertainment and some particularly made-up ladies. Really, the hating is coming through.
That said, yeah, believe me, you can have Vic the Brick. =) And I agree with the thesis of your blog. You need a coach who expects defense a little more assertive than that of a corpse.
by t on Apr 23, 2008 11:59 PM MDT reply actions
Yeah maybe the lakers are a better franchise than the nuggets, but...
The Broncos- a legendary franchise with one of the highest winning percentages in history.
The Avalanche- Only missed the stanley cup playoffs ONE TIME in franchise history.
I go to school in Boulder and am literally surrounded by California trash- if Colorado sucks so much why are there so many of you guys here!
Darrell Scott, the nations best running back recruit, from Cali, is coming to Colorado because "he needs to get out of California"
LA is dirty, sprawled out, and not even a real city. Its like Phoenix- a bunch of crappy uniform suburbs full of the worst people in America (besides Boston fans) merged together. Its funny to see people with lamborgini's who live in a crappy one bedroom condo because they have a mortgage on THIER CAR.
SF is legit. Call me a fag if you want, but whatever, its true
Next time I think about living in LA ill just drive an hour and a half to Vail, one of the best ski resorts in the world and forget about ever leaving (by the way i know tahoe and the sierras are awesome ski resorts, but not better than vail, bc, keystone, aspen, or silverton)
If you did some research, you would see that Denver is constantly rated
drunkest city in america
best place for singles
most breweries in the us
etc.
Boulder has also received these accolades....
#1 in "The Smartest Cities In America" - Forbes, February, 2008
#1 in "20 Dream Towns" - Outside Magazine, August, 2006
#3 in Top 10 Brainiest Small Cities - Bizjournals.com, June, 2006
#1 Best of the Best - Men's Journal, April 2006
#1 Place You Dream of Living - Backpacker Magazine, February, 2006
Best Place in the Country for Singles (Denver-Boulder) - Forbes: 2006, 2004, 2003
#1 Best Place to Live Successful Meetings: 2005
The West’s Best City - Sunset Magazine: 2005
#1 Best Places to Live - Men’s Journal Magazine: 2005, 2003
#1 Top 20 Boom Towns - Business 2.0: 2004
Colorado’s Best Workplaces for Commuters - United States EPA: 2004
The Best Small Cities - Men’s Journal: 2004
Best Place to Move (Boulder-Longmont) - Worldwide ERC and Primacy Relocation: 2004
Best Places to Retire - Money Magazine: 2002
#4 Best Places for Businesses and Career Advancement - Forbes: 2000
#1 Best Places to Retire - Modern Maturity: 2000
America’s Best Places to Live and Work - USA Today: 1999
Best Cities in America for Starting and Growing a Business - Inc. Magazine: 1999
Best Transportation - Sunset Magazine: 1999
Small City Runner Up: Best Places to Live 2000 - Money Magazine: 1999
LA sucks, why do you think Kobe wanted out?
LA
Why did he stay?
Money
by winbourd on Apr 24, 2008 12:49 AM MDT reply actions
Anyway, an interesting piece (came here via Yardbarker), and whilst it was painted with broad strokes, I took it with a grain of salt and thus found it to be amusing (was I wrong to do so? It was written at least somewhat tongue-in-cheek... right?).
Cringing at what some of my fellow Laker-fans wrote, laughing at what some of the fans who took the piece seriously wrote (from both perspectives)... almost as enjoyable as the piece itself. Almost like FGK threw a piece of meat into a pack of dogs...
Still, just so as you know: not all Laker fans are like this.
Cheers,
Don (a Laker fan)
by With Malice on Apr 24, 2008 1:59 AM MDT reply actions
But on to the playoff series..........
im not one to say "oh the lakers are going to kick yiur ass' and you guys suck" because i respect it when a person is willing to stick up for their team. But i really am not scared of the nuggets, they are a great offensive team, but they arent smart basketball players. If the lakers dont win this in a sweep ill be suprised, but they will definatly take at least 1 game in denver then come home and finish it off
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 2:22 AM MDT reply actions
Okay now this has got to be the most stupidest bullshit i have ever read. To start off with why would anyone who isn't a "Lakers" fan spend so much time writing about a team that they don't even route for. C'mon you have nothing better else to do then sit and monitor all Lakers fans? Obviously there's something about Lakers fans that makes you obsessed with us. Dude theres so much in your "10" reasons why you hate Lakers fans that didn't even make sense. Starting with the Shaq issue. Yeah I honestly can say that I can't stand Shaq with a passion. Sure he brought us 3 championships while he was here but how did he leave LA? He left LA the sameway he left Miami, criticizing coaches, players, fans, mangement, ownership and the list just goes on. Look back what he said about Pat riley, Ricky Davis and that other player Quinn. Pat Riley himself said the negativity that Shaq said was uncalled for, he got what he wanted (traded to the Suns) and still has something to say. But yet Lakers fans should still bow down to him in your eyes. Sure Laker fans are straglers when arriving to the game (I am one myself) but that doesn't prove your loyalship. You criticize Laker fans so much then criticize all other teams fans as well. Look at the Miami Heat fans, there lucky if they can get 6 or 7,000 fans in that arena, and how long ago did they win the championship? Or the Memphis Grizzlies, where did all there fans go after missing the playoffs for a couple consecutive seasons? Or the Portland Trailblazers suddenly selling more season tickets because they got the #1 pick in the NBA draft. Every team has its "Real" fans and "fake" fans but for some reason it seems like you think all LA fans are fake. Next, on the subject about Clippers fans vs. Lakers fans. Have you took this thought into consideration. Maybe being that the Lakers had just won 3 championships in this decade alone was very nice for LA, but the emergence of a young Clippers team was a added bonus FOR SOME LA FANS. Have you thought about how many people actually live in Cali? Maybe Clipper fans were hideing out because there team wasn't doing shit. Did you ever think about Clipper fans as being the one's who were the bandwagon jumpers? Or maybe about the media hype of the Clippers actually being better then that Lakers for a season, made it look like Lakers fans converted to Clipper fans. Just a side note, the subject here is about basketball, so where the hell did the Angels come into play? Stay on track. And now about kobe with that supposed "rape" have you ever heard about "innocent until proven guilt" Were Lakers fans of course were going to stick behind our tean and players, why wouldn't we? Like you brought up Carmelo Anthony for instance. I'm sure Denver Nuggets fans are behind him all the way, and i can't hate on that there fans of the organization, thats what fans are supposed to do, stick behind your team. But yet you find away to make that as a negative for Lakers fans. And about your theory on the Lakers "favorable" schedule. Did you ever think of that the Staples Center is shared actually by 2 NBA teams not 1? Saturdays are always the Clippers nights. Just like Sundays are Lakers nights. Then its spread up threw the week. So why should that change because of your theory of a "favorable" schedule. There's so much i can pinpoint that was Fu*king stupid about this article you wasted your time on, but i'm tired of typing. But let me suggest this to you, find out correct facts and information before you post something up that is so idiotic. Go back to journalism school, i think you might have received that degree online. Seems like your going off of "he said, she said" and what "real" tv broadcaster have to say (which most are b.s as well). PATHETIC!!!
Go DODGERS!!
GO STEELERS!!
Go LAKERS!!!
by Paul R. Los Angeles on Apr 24, 2008 10:27 AM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 11:28 AM MDT reply actions
1)Incapable of acknowledging a bad trade? Who says it was a bad trade? Phil Jackson signed off on it. Caron Butler's skill-set didn't fit well with what they envisioned. Don't let Butler's stats in a wide open Washington offense trick you into believing the Lakers made the blunder of the century. At the time, their biggest hole was a defensive presence in the middle. They gave up the more talented player to try and fill a huge, huge void. Kwame Brown didn't work out, but he did end up landing Pau Gasol. Nobody should be saying that was a bad trade.
2)Memphis OWNER Michael Heisley, is a well known Chicago Bulls fan. Why didn't he do a deal with them? They sorely needed a player like Gasol. Oh, maybe because he was looking for a big expiring k and a young talented combo guard. Maybe Chris Wallace pushed for the deal with the Lakers (he didn't) because he wanted to try and stick it to his former team, the Celtics. Maybe....
3)"everywhere were befuddled as to why Minnesota wouldn’t accept Lamar Odom, Ronny Turiaf and a late first round pick for KG." That was not the offer, I can assure you. It wouldn't have worked under the current CBA anyway. It was widely reported that Andrew Bynum was involved in that offer, as well as Lamar Odom. Way to get your facts straight.
4)Who the hell cares about Vic the Brick?
5)You can make the bandwagon claim all over the place in pro sports. Yes, they have tons of bandwagon fans.
6)He never threw Shaq under the bus. He never threw Bynum under the bus. Who even knows how candid Kobe was when he implied to those guys in the parking lot that Bynum should have been traded for Kidd. For all we know, it could have been Kobe shooting the sh** with a couple of fans. Or, it could have been his real thoughts. It doesn't appear to have hurt their relationship, and Bryant has made it clear how important Bynum is to their team.
7)The favoritism argument is awful. Just awful. The one series you can talk about is in 2002 with the Kings. That's it. When you get into specific blown calls in various games, you look like an idiot, because every single team in the league has been screwed by a bad call at one point or another. And plenty of teams have been screwed by the officials over a big portion of a series. (see Mavericks, Dallas)
by Glenn Robinson (Carmelo's Dad) on Apr 24, 2008 11:43 AM MDT reply actions
So you're saying the NBA is so biased in favor of the Lakers that they are secretly conspiring to rig games in their favor. Okay. You attempt to prove this through an example of the NBA transparently admitting that they screwed up a call that benefited the Lakers. Um, what? The NBA is really bad at keeping their conspiracy a secret I guess.
by thedude1977 on Apr 24, 2008 12:03 PM MDT reply actions
However, the Los Angeles Lakers take their identity from the Lake in close proximity to their original digs - the Fabulous Forum. Hollywood Park Lake!
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 12:34 PM MDT reply actions
First off take off the Caron Butler nonsense, we got Pau Gasol out of that fiasco, even if we should have never given Butler up in the first place.
Calling us all bandwagon jumpers is bad, i've watched nearly every lakers game for the past 20 years.
I do agree though about the wives of rich idiots, why not give those tickets to real fans (like me?)
Yeah yeah bitch about how the refs like the Lakers, just like every other team in the league.
Why don't you stop crying about the Lakers, and start watching your team lose to them
by Trigg on Apr 24, 2008 1:01 PM MDT reply actions
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by vance on Apr 24, 2008 1:34 PM MDT reply actions
Fouls against the Lakers: 26
Free throw attempts by the Nuggets: 36
Fouls against the Nuggets: 25
Free throw attempts by the Lakers: 24
The truth is, the Lakers don't get favoritism by the refs. Pointing to a few games where the Lakers happen to have an advantage in the calls does not mean the Lakers get this advantage every game, or more often than other teams.
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 2:45 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 3:01 PM MDT reply actions
FUCK all you redneck rocky mountain oyster eater losers. Go back to Mr. Garrison.
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 4:56 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 10:33 PM MDT reply actions
At ever Blazer/Laker game at the Rose Garden there are a fair amount of Laker fans. Some are obnoxious transplants that keep the bad clubs in town in business, others are young impressionable, naive locals. After the Gasol trade there were SO MANY MORE Laker "fans" at the games. Where were they the past few years?
A couple of years ago a friend of mine and his lady were at a Lakers/Blazers game. Mid-game it was fairly quiet when Kobe was at the line for a pair. He and his girl were sitting almost right behind the glass backboard. After the first free throw she stood up and screamed, "hey Kobe, RAPE ME!" Kobe actually paused and looked up at her almost like a confused puppy before sinking the free throw.
...it just goes to show how... Kobe is and always will be a Michael Jackson-like enigma. He obviously doesn't fit in with his peers but he still tries to be down. I read an interview with him where he cussed more than any other interview I have ever read. The most embarrassing part was him quoting DMX lyrics to the reporter and bragging about how he had memorized them. I almost felt sad for how lost, confused, and vulnerable he seemed until I snapped out of it and laughed my ass off!
by Brandon in Portland on Apr 24, 2008 11:52 PM MDT reply actions
by Anonymous on Apr 24, 2008 11:59 PM MDT reply actions
And you'll be left alone, sucking your thumb in cold bathwater, crying while you clutch your wet Carmelo pillowcase.
And nothing will have changed.
You'll still be a fan of the same sad, sad franchise... who managed to fail in the playoffs.
Again.
by SodaPoppenski on Apr 25, 2008 12:57 AM MDT reply actions
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by Anonymous on Apr 25, 2008 12:33 PM MDT reply actions
I am a Laker fan. I watched the LA/GSW game that draw all the spite and rise from everyone west and north of LA. Now I might be a little confused about all this, but the referees made a difficult call incorrectly. At the very least it should have been a no call. Okay. However, the Lakers were leading by three points with seconds left in the game. It's not as if the Warriors were leading and the call "gave" the Lakers an opportunity to win it. Get off the Laker-Hate-Bandwagon.
Kobe Allegedly did nothing. He was cleared in the court of law. A settlement doesn't mean anything about guilt. I'm convinced of his guilt, as far as adultery is concerned. But that's half of America. Hell, half of America drinks and drives at some point during their life. If you've ever driven LA past midnight, you'd see it. Same in Yarington.
I don't support rape chants or Dewy chants. You can find a-holes in every city.
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