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At last! Algorithms to explain the fiasco that is the 2007-08 Denver Nuggets...

If I've learned two things in my lifetime, it's never question Reggie Theus' officially listed height to his face (story for another time), and don't get into an argument over empirical data with an Economics Professor.

One of the authors of "The Wages of Wins" has commented on this blog, suggesting that my argument blaming the coach for our team's problems doesn't quite add up. Professor David J. Berri points out that since some of the Nuggets players are playing "a bit better" this season (based on his algorithms that measure player performance), Coach Karl is doing an okay job. Well, try telling us fans and Stanley Kroenke's accountant that they're playing "a bit better" when we either miss the playoffs, or get knocked out in the first round again.

I have a great deal of respect for Professor Berri's work, enjoy reading his online journal and look forward to reading his book for more insight - assuming I'm smart enough to understand it. I, however, believe that a hybrid of in-depth statistical analysis and general basketball know-how is the key to building a good team. For example, according to Malcom Gladwell's New Yorker review of the book, "The Wages of Wins" states that Allen Iverson's MVP season of 2000-01, in which he took the Philadelphia 76ers to the finals, ranked him as the 91st best player in the NBA. 91st! This means that either the data doesn't account for intangibles like hustle, leadership, locker room presence, camaraderie with teammates, etc...or that Larry Brown is one hell of a coach.

But accepting that I'm not familiar with Professor Berri's formulations in regards to a coach's impact on a player, I have to ask him a general question: Isn't player performance - past and present - attributed to the coach getting that performance out of them in the first place? At least somewhat? Professor Berri may argue that the current Nuggets players aren't capable of being a lot better to begin with, but I would argue that it is the coach's job to make them a lot better. Hence why Coach Karl and his NBA coach colleagues get paid millions of dollars a year.

So who's right? Both of us? Neither? Perhaps the chicken-and-egg debate about coaching vs. player performance will just rage on for eternity.

In the meantime, may I suggest Professor Berri trading me a copy of his book in exchange for a copy of mine? This way, I can learn about the intricacies of the Win Produced vs. Win Score formula, and he can learn how to pick up girls in bars from the perspective of cartoon characters. It should be noted that my book didn't get a New Yorker review from Gladwell, but received high praise from the Playboy Magazine Blog.

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the dana carvey / george will 'baseball machine' image is genius!! when it comes to playing sports, these stats guys probably can't catch a cold!

by Anonymous on Mar 7, 2008 10:35 AM MST reply actions  

I'm definitely on your side andrew... Looks like the "genius formula" just forgot to include the eventuality the coach is doing a poor job... Basically he puts all the coachs on a same lvl, taken as a whole i guess his formula works pretty well, but there's always specials case and we really think on here the 2007-2008's Karl is a special case. If i had an advice for him it'd definitely be to watch (more) games before writting anything...

by Iverson Warrior on Mar 7, 2008 3:20 PM MST reply actions  

Sorry, in this case the Professor is right. When the Iverson trade was made, he predicted that the Nuggets would get worse and the Sixers would get better. What happened? The Nuggets got worse and the Sixers got better. This team has been on the slide since Kiki left. Firing George Karl won't help, firing Stan Kreonke might.

by Anonymous on Mar 8, 2008 9:11 AM MST reply actions  

The Nuggets have not gotten worse. They have the almost the exact same record they had before the trade. Nor have the Sixers gotten appreciably better. It's just that the East has gotten worse.

Sabermetrics are not as valuable in basketball as it is in baseball, because the inter-workings of the five players depends on the traits of the others so much. If win shares could explain success, then the ideal roster would be Marcus Camby, Ben Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Tyson Chandler, and Reggie Evans.

Part of the reason that Melo and AI shoot so many (bad) shots is because Camby is dreadful offensively. Part of it is bad shot selection. If Sloan coached Melo, what would happen to his shot selection?

Is it worth noting that Melo averaged 10 boards a game as a Freshman at Syracuse? Or that the Nuggets are unstoppable when AI gets 10 assists? Why can't Karl push AI harder to get 10 assists?

by Kieran on Mar 10, 2008 4:51 PM MDT reply actions  

Please ignore Kieran, it doesn't have a clue about win shares. You pick the best rated player at each POSITION. The ideal roster (of current players) is: Dwight Howard - C, Kevin Garnett - PF, Chris Paul - PG, LeBron James - SF, Jose Calderon - SG. That's a devastating lineup, and if you don't know who Jose Calderon is just look at his true shooting percentages and his net possessions and you'll see why he makes the list.

by ilikeflowers on Mar 24, 2008 1:23 AM MDT reply actions  

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