"I don't think it's valuable to pay attention to that."
That was George Karl's quote when asked about my new blog by Chris Tomasson of the Rocky Mountain News last week. Well, apparently he's paying some attention to this, or at least his lawyer is.
Uncovered from the depths of my spam box was an email sent to me early last week from a man purporting to be Coach Karl's attorney. While I have been able to independently confirm that this attorney does, in fact, represent Coach Karl, I have not emailed him back directly to double confirm whether or not this email came from him (even though the email came from his direct email address, who could have faked that?). Please note that I have redacted Mr. Adams' contact info from this screen grab (click the image for a larger view)...
I wish Coach Karl would put his energy into preparing the Nuggets for the tough games ahead rather than into sending his lawyer on the attack against an obscure blogger. What's next? Will Isiah Thomas threaten to sue the New York Daily News when they demand his ouster for ruining another Knicks season? (Although, in fairness to Knicks fans, they're only eight games away from the final playoff spot. I suppose anything is possible!)
Tuesday, March 4, 2008
George Karl's "lawyer" responds to www.firegeorgekarl.com...
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That is terrible legal advice...I'm starting a spin-off blog, "FireGeorgeKarl'sAttorney.com"
I think you're doing exactly what you set out to do. You've grabbed some major attention and have received a response. I just hope your sources and stories can back up the entertaining nature of the subject of which they are written on.
Bret Adams is a crappy lawyer, he got his degree from Ohio University...what else do we need to say!! Oh, he accepts credit cards.
http://www.lawyers.com/Ohio/Columbus/Bret-A.-Adams-1448421-a.html
HA-HA-HA!!! What a total moron this idiot is. Keep sticking it to them Andrew and don't let them intimidate you one bit. Karl is a jerk and so are his legal people. I think they came form the Roger Clemens school of lawyers or something. Hey big Stan, fidakjxyare this dweeb so that we can maybe find our way to an NBA title before the end of the earth as we know it.
Oh my, what a professional. I'm assuming you've been under fire by more than this clown since you took down the meatiest post regarding behind the scenes issues.
While your sender just copied and pasted directly from a message board, it's hard to believe such intricate details could have been fabricated.
I believe the original poster on the forums was probably a plant by higher-ups sent in to quell fans worries and keep them blindly spending money on this crappy team. He obviously got too comfortable, and how that's your fault is beyond me. Such lack professionalism deserves to be exposed.
Staying on par with everything Dino had to say, the organization as a whole is so immature they'd probably use this blog as an excuse for all their problems...
Bret Adams, esquire, needs to improve the syntax of his insults.
Nice to know that Mr. Adams has been taking media-communication lessons from his client.
http://www.abglawyers.com/ourattorneys/bret_adams.cfm
The only way this isn't Karl's lawyer is if it's somebody pretending to be the same guy. Bret Adams is a board member of Friend of Hoop which is Karl's organization.
Bret Adams is indeed Karl's Columbus lawyer, and the email bears the logo of Adams' firm. However, the content of the email is clearly not the work of a lawyer. I'm guessing it's a hoax.
Is he really a attorney? Man he talks like a 12 yo kid.
like catcalls said, maybe this is a hoax...
maybe it's Coby Karl?
I just discovered your website through 'nba closer', and although I am by no means a Nuggets' fan, just a total basketball addict, what a relief to find out that the world hasn't gone crazy already and that some people realize George Karl sucks ! I really don't understand how he made such a career. Well, I do actueally: he's good at taking young talented teams under .500 and motivate them towards an average season (which he has done in the past). But he won't do better than that, even with the best players, because:
1- he can't spell the word 'defense'
2- his fast, one-on-one offense turns out totally ineffective in the playoffs.
Comparable coaches such as Avery Johson or Rudy T at least managed to put out a great D which compensates for their lack of offense imagination.
Good luck with your site. I would enjoy it even more if you could analyse some plays and show your readers (as well as Georgie and his lawyer) that they could have been ran differently.
yeah man, sue the damn fans
First of all, why do you need to bring Coby Karl into this? What is the purpose of that? Are you jealous that he is something you are not - a NBA player? Regardless of how much time he plays for LA, he is part of the team. He practices the same way the stars do. Did you ever hear the saying, "You are only as stong as your weakess player?" Well if he is their weakess player, it does not matter, he is well on his way to winning a NBA title. How's that for a rookie and someone who has to work harder because of who he is?
First you guys are all coaches, now you are all lawyers? What next. Now you can give advice on what a lawyer should say... Unreal!
Can't a lawyer defend his client? I don't think there is anything wrong with him warning this site to be careful. Actually, it was thoughtful. He could have let you hang yourself. Next time Brett, don't be so nice.
Hi All,
As the moderator of these comments and creator of the site, I'd like to agree with our last commentor and respectfully ask that we do not bring Coby Karl into this discussion. I think we can all agree that Coby's road to the NBA is a remarkable one that we all admire greatly, and his father deserves a tremendous amount of credit for supporting and nurturing his son through two cancer surgeries while Coby continued to play basketball at Boise State. Let's keep the conversation aimed at George. Thanks!
Bret-
I like your defense. Maybe you could get some players to do the same. Way to stand up for your employer. Maybe some of the Nuggets should do the same and put this site to rest.
Bret Adams is threatening to shut down a web site? Was Frank Azar too busy to take the case?
That has to be real. Bret Adams is one of the biggest jerks I have ever met in my entire life.
Bret Adams is a douche, that goes without saying. He is after all a lawyer.
But Bret Adams also has a very small penis which why he feels the need to prove his manliness by threathening a blogger.
Yes, I know that threathening a blogger is no way to show you manliness but he is a lawyer after all. And he has a small penis.
Put those two things together along with pedantic writing skills and you have Bret Adams.
Douchebag.
Lawyer (i know its redundant).
Small penis.
Bad writer.
Internet sensation.
Bravo Bret Adams, you small dicked douche, you have been noticed.
How about someone put this up on Digg?
Rob Enderle
This gentleman should be cautious of his professional responsibilities as a lawyer.
Since when did Attorneys start sending two sentence, "no subject" emails? A little bit suspect if you ask me.
All of the the lawyers I know (ok... the one lawyer I know) would NEVER send a threatening correspondence like that through email. Snail mail only, so then it's in paper.
I'm just saying...
To the Bret Adams defender, you are completely, utterly clueless. Setting aside the fact that even the reporting of "facts" regarding public figures rarely can give rise to defamation claims, and ignoring the reality that opinions regarding public figures cannot give rise to defamation claims, there is a concept known as "damages" that means you can only sue for the monetary harm that you suffer. Unless Andrew Feinstein is penniless, any judgment that Bombastic Bret might win for his client wouldn't be enough to buy a cup of coffee, much less force anybody into bankruptcy.
The email was ill-advised, ill-informed, and beneath the integrity of (yes, even) a lawyer, to the point that I remain of the view that it was a hoax.
It is actually quite easy to send an e-mail that shows a return address of whatever you think. All you need access to is a mail server (of which there are many free ones on the web), and a knowledge of SMTP. As for the "seal" in the letter, it could very easily have been lifted from the lawyer's site.
how bad do we all want to click on "show details" and get this guy's email address?
Rob,
How do you know the size of Bret's penis? Did you see him in a bathroom and sneak a peek? There are names for people like you too....
Agreed about Coby. Hard to rely on the Internet for class, but disparaging him is bullshit and people need to remember manners and common decency.
Hell, this site seems like its pretty good natured, really. It's really silly for Karl's attorneys to take it to this level.
"Is your life really this boring and meaningless" lol his idiot attorney types like a typical 12 year old scrub playing counter strike. *after getting beat in counter strike* "wow is your life that boring and meaningless that all you do is play computer games you stupid nerd" anyone who plays online knows what im talking about and its funny/sad coming from a grown adult.
what a bum.
The only reason I visited this site is because of the news story about the lawyer. Now I support his firing for having nothing better to do, like coach. Then to send second rate lawyers after a website. I wonder for the cost of a lawyer could he hire another coach to help him in the deep western conference. :(
Hello, Rockets fan here. Thanks for making our life easier ;)
Sidenote, but it's REALLY easy to fake the email address.
The last time I checked, truth was an absolute bar to liable: "blown games, losses against sub-.500 opponents, porous defensive performances and incoherent offensive schemes..."
hahaha!!!
you should definitely get
"firegeorgekarl'slawyer" starter
that's just great! haha
but yeah this is ridiculous.
by the way i love this website... i just realized today before even coming to this site that the best and only move is to fire george.
Bret Adams went to Capital Law School - can you now get a JD online? Perhaps that's where Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer went to law school.
" Your world frightens and confuses me... your iron birds, your magic-picture boxes. I do not understand these things. You see, I am just an unfrozen caveman lawyer, and while I do not understand these magic cave paintings, I do know that my client is entitled to $4.4 million in compensatory damages..."
Just to sort something out for all you Americans, your spelling of English words will always be incorrect. Defence is not, I repeat not spelt with the letter s as much as you think it is, it just isn't. I suggest that you look up an ENGLISH dictionary to check this, not American as there is no such language in the world.
Wow... a lot of you posters are showing a lack of reading skills. He is not saying the site has crossed the line, merely making a direct threat of what the result would be if the site did cross that line.
That being said, I have often seen lawyers who send one and two line emails. Many of them are worse at grammar and punctuation than the average high school student (ever wonder why there are so many paralegals and secretaries around). It is not a universal condition, but one that is frequent enough that it can be problematic.
That being said, firegeorgekarl.com should co-host fireisaiahthomas.com. That is a site that seems like it might get its task acomplished in the near future.
Great stuff. How about "We'll laugh you into the stone age if you keep providing us with such great material?" PS: I'm not Gary Payton, but I approve of this ad.
If Rick Brunson's lawyers were able to shut down the old rickbrunson.com, George Karl's lawyer might not be worth messing with.
I mean, it's not like Rick Brunson can pay for a Jackie Childs.
Are these lawyers the same idiotic morons who counseled Roger Clemens into perjuring himself? Seriously, these lawyers need to get their head out of their a$$e$.
Dude, totally sue him under harrasement (probably not spelled right) but seriously if he sends you a threatening email where he states that he will harm your life through any means whether physical or economic, that is truly harrasement.
If you want to get back at this guy, just post up his email address and I'm pretty sure he'll get all the attention he needs.
(614) 360-1040 Direct Dial
ba@abglawyers.com
i have trouble believing a lawyer would send that completely inappropriate e-mail. if it was, indeed, karl's attorney, i think it should be forwarded to ohio's bar counsel. the first statement was childish and unbecoming, but the second was an inappropriate threat. you do not threaten to "sue someone into bankruptcy," and though he threatened to do so only if the blog "crossed the line" (whatever he means by that), it was a pretty clear threat designed to intimidate the author of the blog. totally inappropriate.
i have a feeling the blog author is not going to bother reporting this lawyer (who graduated from some toilet school) and is taking the situation lightly--but i would hope someone, perhaps a member of the ohio bar who owes a duty to the state bar to report misconduct would do so.
Leave Kobe Carl out of this. He will easily drop 46 points on any one of u blogheads. Plus he's beat cancer twice so u know u don't stand a chance. On the subject of George Karl, he is a gracious loser always has been always will be (remember Seattle's meltdown against your denver nugguts and the bulls) yet he always gets another shot. He's like the amy winehouse of coaches! If u can't win with A.I, Mello, Kleiza, J.R Smith you don't deserve to coach anymore. I'm a life-long Laker fan and if we ever hired G. Karl I would root for the dang Clippers!
Maybe George Karl is a $cientologist. You better be careful.
I really don't like sites like this.
Why is it all the coaches fault ? Maybe the team just isn't good enough. Or maybe - and that is more likely - the rest of the teams in the West are simply better. The other 8 teams ahead of Denver are a lot deeper, and more cohesive than the Nuggets. The true core of the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Jazz, ... have all played together for quite some time and their roll-players are simply more talented.
Is this George's fault ? Is it all Thomas' fault that the Knicks SUCK ? Is Pat Riley all of a sudden a bad coach because the Heat are bottom-dwellers ?
Shut this site down ... that is the best thing you can do. By the way, I am not a George Karl fan, I am just a reasonable sports fan.
Why is this the Coach's fault?
Obviously you have not watched the Nuggets this year. Karl has always been a mediocre coach and clearly cannot motivate this team.
These players are each, independently capable of playing defense. However, Karl has never seen a defensive set he liked.
While I don't much like the way Larry Brown handles his professional career, could you imagine what he could do with the Nuggets players? At least he would get them in the playoffs this year by relying on defense and not unfortunate injuries to players on other teams.
FIRE GEORGE KARL.
Hey reasonable sports fan. If u are truly a real sports fan then u would know that when the team is losing the coach is usually the first to go. Pat Riley was lucky enough to coach three hall of famers and one of them called the plays on the fly (Magic). He never won with the Knicks and kicked Stan Van Gundy out just when he was turning around the Heat and stole Van Gundy's ring. Isiah is simply a horrible coach no matter who plays for him. If Jesus had a cold jumper Isiah couldn't gameplan good enough to get HIM open shots. So with that said "when u can't run the flo, the coach must go!"
That "Unfrozen Cavemen Lawyer" looks eerily like Chris Marlowe...
This "team" is so weak, and it starts with that lathargic George Karl. His apathetic attitude is disgusting, they cannot defend the pick and roll to save their lives, they look gased in the end of games. Guess what??!!! thats coaching, I dont mean to be a cynic, but he has to go.
I have the misfortune of knowing Bret Adams. He is, as you say, a major dick. I can tell you from personal knowledge that that e-mail is NOT a hoax, and that that's how he writes everything. I've seen him use that threat about suing someone into bankruptcy previously. It's the real deal.
It's also a great illustration of what sort of person he is.
Its unbelievable that Bret Adams would have written such unprofessional email/letter. Where did he graduate, just curious? NO MORE TOUGH GUY THESE DAYS BUDDY, JUST TO LET HIM KNOW. Might be true that he takes creditcards. And how the hell did he find George Karl or they are all the same...
I guess you're on double secret probation with Karl and his lawyer. ooooooooo...scary!
Seriously though...what kind of respectable lawyer would make such a threat? He must be an ambulance chaser.
Keep up the good work!
For the sake of accuracy, I will note that Mr. Adams did not receive his juris doctorate from Ohio University as alleged by a previous annonymous blogger. OU is a fine public university set in a beautiful town in the south-eastern corner of Ohio, but it does not have a law school nor does it grant JDs.
Capital University is where Mr. Adams received his law degree. So Mr. Adams does have a JD, that much is verifiable. Unfortunately it appears someone else has his professional stationary.
I find it very ironic that the posters that want to disparage Bret Adams for reprsenting his client (George Karl) and are encouraging the owner of this website/blog to take things to the next level are leaving their comments as anonymous. If you truly believe in what you are posting have the courage to be recogonized, and sign with your name. This definitley applies to those that claim to personally know Mr. Adams, have the fortitude to expose to claim your work. Leaving a post or message that can be viewed by the general public anonymously is akin to the guy "who wants to finish the fight" only after someone has stepped in and broke up the fight and the dominant combatant has been duly restrained....you are a coward.
What's your whole name Nick. If you are dumb enough to post your first name why not just post your last name too. You sound like you work for this scumbag lawyer. The posters on this site are exercising their right to speak their opinion and if they choose to remain anonymous I'm sure its not because they are scarred they're just smart.
You received a stupid cannon ball letter from an attorney. Face it, the attorney is paid by a rich fat client and just wants to keep the money flowing in. Please don’t take it personally because it is never meant that way. The client wants a cannon ball and that’s what the paying client gets. Please believe me on this one, but it’s probably more to run your petty smear campaign and let your anonymous posters chime in with you. This whole site is really just plain silly!
"Who could've faked that?"
Actually, it's easier than you think, and done often.
I'm sure this is a hoax. What really makes me laugh is the title he assigned to himself. "Managing Member"? I know a lot of attorneys (including my father and my wife) and I've never heard of anyone actively practicing law and referring to themselves as the "Managing Member". Sounds more like a Moe-ism!
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