The 2008 Coaching Candidates...
by Andrew Feinstein on Feb 28, 2008 2:11 PM MST
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I've received a tremendous amount of support - and flak - for putting up this site. One of the main arguments I've been getting against this site is essentially: "Who else is going to coach this team? What other coach out there could possibly handle these guys better than Coach Karl?" This exact question was posed to me by Mike and Sandy on AM 950 The Fan's Sports Guys morning show on Monday, and I had my answer ready.To show all of you in Nuggets Nation that I'm not just an angry, complaining fan, but that I am, in fact, a solutions-oriented guy, I present you the Denver Nuggets Coaching Candidates for 2008. I will try to make this as brief as possible, giving just a few pros and cons for each candidate. At the bottom of this post, I will give my endorsement and elaborate on that particular candidate...
LARRY BROWNPros...
-Coached the Nuggets to the ABA Finals in 1975 and 1976.
-Coached Allen Iverson for six years, including a 2001 NBA Finals run.
-The only coach not named Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, Phil Jackson, Rudy Tomjanovich or Gregg Popovich to win an NBA title in the past 20 years.
Cons...
-He might have a bigger ego than the players (combined).
-Had a terrible relationship with Carmelo Anthony during the 2004 Olympic Games.
-He's very good friends with Coach Karl, and probably wouldn't accept the job if Karl is fired.
Pros...
-A no-nonsense guy who preaches defense first.
-Is willing to tackle the opposing team's center if necessary.
-If things don't pan out, at least he'll still be collecting "Perfect Strangers" residuals.
Cons...
-While he's coached an NBA Finals, he's never won one.
-Wasn't able to get Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady out of the first round.
-I'd hate to lose him as a broadcaster. Who else is going to make fun of (former Nugget) Mark Jackson during NBA on ESPN/ABC broadcasts?
Pros...
-He's coached Ron Artest and Stephen Jackson - at the same time! So he's basically seen it all.
-A superb X's and O's tactician. Often gets credited for formulating the game plans that led Larry Bird's Pacers to the Finals in 2000.
-After watching him repeatedly on ESPN's NBA Fastbreak, I'm more and more impressed with his basketball acumen. Of course, hiring coaches based on their solid TV presence isn't always advisable (see: Rivers, Doc and Collins, Doug).
Cons...
-Has never coached in the Western Conference.
-Without NBA Finals credibility, players may not take him seriously.
-Who am I kidding? I really just put him in here because my friend Jaime from Richmond and other Celtics-fan friends always insist I include Carlisle (or Scott Wedman) when I write these things.
Pros...
-Nuggets' all-time best player, and was an intelligent, classy, quiet leader during his tenure here.
-Has been logging time as an assistant coach for the Toronto Raptors, Atlanta Hawks and Philadelphia 76ers (come to think of it, that might be a "con" actually).
-Could be the right guy to mentor Carmelo Anthony as no one played the small forward position in Denver better than English.
Cons...
-Former Nuggets players haven't exactly panned out as coaches. Just ask Dan Issel, Bill Hanzlik and Mike Evans.
-English's poetry books would likely go on sale again at the stadium.
-Might attempt to show footage of "Amazing Grace and Chuck" to get the team inspired (and yes, I've seen that movie. It's not just bad, it's holy-shit-is-this-bad).
Pros...
-Has extensive knowledge of the inner workings of the Nuggets organization.
-Loved by players, fans and refs alike. Feared by opponents.
-Will keep asses in the seats even if the team's record isn't particularly good.
Cons...
-Doesn't speak.
-Has been known to run afoul of the law over the years.
-Might add the over-the-back-halfcourt-shot to the Nuggets' playbook.
My endorsement...
For those who listened to me on the radio on Monday, this won't be a surprise. I'm endorsing Larry Brown. Why? Below I will list and respond to all of the arguments against Larry Brown that I know will come up...Q: "Didn't Larry Brown and Allen Iverson HATE each other in Philadelphia?"
A: Yes. They hated each other kind of like John Elway and Dan Reeves hated each other on their way to three Super Bowl appearances. And yet at Elway's Hall of Fame induction, he profusely thanked Reeves, and didn't even mention his own wife once!
The point is, even though Brown and A.I. had a publicly rocky relationship in Philadelphia several years ago, they a) produced some serious wins there and, b) have since expressed unbelievable admiration for one another, to the point that Iverson has called him "the best coach in the world." If you don't believe me, watch Iverson's 2006 interview with Stephen A. Smith on YouTube. At the 11:45 mark, after Stephen A. shows Brown speaking highly of Iverson, Iverson breaks into tears and then speaks about Coach Brown like a proud son. Moreover, by all accounts Brown and A.I. got along fine during the 2004 Olympics. It was another Nugget who had problems with Brown...
Q: "Didn't Larry Brown and Carmelo Anthony HATE each other during the 2004 Summer Olympics?"
A: Another yes! But that was four years ago, and since then Carmelo has proven that under the right coach and guidance, he can be the ultimate team guy. Just ask Jim Boeheim and Mike Krzyzewski. This is just a gut feeling, but I think Brown has had his humble pie, too, after the New York Knicks debacle...
Q: "Did you see Larry Brown coach the Knicks?"
A: Isiah Thomas was involved. End of story. Period.
Q: "Doesn't Larry Brown piss off everyone he coaches, and everyone he works for? What would Joe Dumars have to say about him right now?"
A: Why don't you ask Dumars how many NBA Finals the Pistons have been in since Larry Brown left? And then thank him endlessly for drafting Darko Milicic because lord knows Kiki would have!
Q: "Does Larry Brown even want to coach anymore?"
A: Yes. Larry Brown is so desperate to coach, that he lobbied through back channels to coach the Charlotte Bobcats this year. Unfortunately for Brown, the Bobcats prefer their coaches to be in the $500,000-$750,000 per year range.
Q: "Aren't Larry Brown and George Karl good friends dating back to their North Carolina days?"
A: Yes.
Q: "Then if they're such good friends, why would Larry Brown take his good friend's job?"
A: He wouldn't. Here's where we're going to need some planning and cooperation from all the parties involved. As the Rocky Mountain News' Dave Krieger pointed out today (just read Karl's quotes - he talks like he's a fan, not the coach!), Karl is losing this team and management is going to pin it all on him if we don't make the playoffs or get past the first round.
Here's the plan: Karl should resign, kick himself upstairs to a cushy "basketball relations" job like what Bernie Bickerstaff has in Charlotte (yes, Bernie Bickerstaff is still gainfully employed, I'm as shocked as you are), and bring in his good friend Larry Brown to take over. Keep Doug Moe as one assistant, and bring in Alex English as the other. Maybe swap English for Adrian Dantley - it would mark the first time in NBA history that two assistant coaches got traded for each other.
Brown, with the assistance of Moe and English, employs a defense-first, up-tempo offensive scheme utilizing Iverson as the do-it-all go-to guy, and team leader (a la Fat Lever in the 1980s). When the rest of the team sees their natural leader/warrior Iverson buying into the coach's system and don't whatever it takes to get that elusive ring, the others will follow. Furthermore, I assume Brown is smart enough never to let Anthony Carter or Yakhouba Diawara shoot a three-pointer again.
The bottom line is this: when you have a team of extremely talented players with big egos and enormous paychecks, you need a coach who's already been to the promised land to guide them there. They just won't listen to anybody else. I know this isn't as simple as it sounds, but this plan can work if you believe in it!
Vote Brown/Moe in 2008!!
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I've got two more names for you and a big beef with Larry Brown, but i'll skip that for now. Sam Cassell - he wants to coach; is tight with George and could be brought on this summer and groomed as a replacement while either being an assitant or 12th man a la avery johnson in Dallas. Granted this probably means keeping Karl on for one more year, but we'll see. I think this team needs a former player with a ring and Sam I Am doesn't take any shit from anyone and knows the game as well as anyone. LOVE Carlisle for the job, except he refuses to let teams run, which the Nuggets should be doing. Larry Brown is too controlling, and SVG probably is as well. The other player I'd throw out there would be Eric Snow if he's ready to hang it up. Played with AI, they respect each other. I think a younger former player is the right answer. Someone like Nate McMillan would be PERFECT and I think Snow and Sam are as close as you can get and I can't imagine either one of them backing down from anyone and they'd certainly provide an injection of young blood and enthusiasm that the team seems to lack.
by Eric B on Feb 28, 2008 3:25 PM MST reply actions
I'm sure that Stan Kroenke wouldn't mind paying the 80M in salary, plus another 14M in luxury tax, and then another 10M/year for Larry Brown...
The Sam Cassell and Eric Snow ideas are interesting, but they had a young coach with playing experience and a few rings, and they didn't give Cooper a chance...granted he was bad, but the whole situation that year was wrong.
And I can point to the exact minute that George Karl gave up on this team...4:18pm Monday October, 16th, when Kenyon Martin walked through the door still a nugget.
The Sam Cassell and Eric Snow ideas are interesting, but they had a young coach with playing experience and a few rings, and they didn't give Cooper a chance...granted he was bad, but the whole situation that year was wrong.
And I can point to the exact minute that George Karl gave up on this team...4:18pm Monday October, 16th, when Kenyon Martin walked through the door still a nugget.
by blue on Feb 28, 2008 3:32 PM MST reply actions
Eric Snow? Give me a break! The guy would have to be respected a la McMillan and who respects of all people, Eric Snow???
Cassel would be very fun but is too much of a long shot to have all that happen, VanGundy would be a great hire, but I think it'll wind up being someone known as a players coach to get along with all the big ballers we have on this team.
Note to the guy who runs this site, you should have a forum room here where we can talk about various topics such as mine I wanted to vent on which is:
Guys like Leon Powe were literally given away and now look at him! What about Jarrett Jack? I know we got LK in the deal but how perfect would he fit here right now? Steve Blake... yeah, let's get rid of that bum! Great idea, who needs him?
I know I'm missing probably many more (don't forget fan fave Boykins), and it's just one more reason to wonder "WTF?!?!?!" are these guys thinking?
Cassel would be very fun but is too much of a long shot to have all that happen, VanGundy would be a great hire, but I think it'll wind up being someone known as a players coach to get along with all the big ballers we have on this team.
Note to the guy who runs this site, you should have a forum room here where we can talk about various topics such as mine I wanted to vent on which is:
Guys like Leon Powe were literally given away and now look at him! What about Jarrett Jack? I know we got LK in the deal but how perfect would he fit here right now? Steve Blake... yeah, let's get rid of that bum! Great idea, who needs him?
I know I'm missing probably many more (don't forget fan fave Boykins), and it's just one more reason to wonder "WTF?!?!?!" are these guys thinking?
by Eric K on Feb 28, 2008 5:00 PM MST reply actions
Forgot to mention in previous post... Rick Carslile is a bum. I lived in Detroit during the Carslile years and it was complete agony watching him run that team, very strikingly similar to watching Karl get the Nuggets to the first round and that's all...
No lateral moves please! You don't trade a bag of poop for a bag of puke.
No lateral moves please! You don't trade a bag of poop for a bag of puke.
by Eric K on Feb 28, 2008 5:04 PM MST reply actions
Bring back Paul Westhead! Like you said previously, we need to be a run and gun team.
Starting 5:
AI
'Melo
JR
Linas
Camby
Camby would not even need to cross half court. (Like Kareem on the showtime Lakers. Thanks to Bill Simmons for the idea for Shaq.) I mean he rarely goes beyond the top of the key on offense anyway.
Starting 5:
AI
'Melo
JR
Linas
Camby
Camby would not even need to cross half court. (Like Kareem on the showtime Lakers. Thanks to Bill Simmons for the idea for Shaq.) I mean he rarely goes beyond the top of the key on offense anyway.
by Brendan on Feb 29, 2008 8:33 AM MST reply actions
i'd endorse van gundy! just watch a game on espn in which van gundy is in. it's hard to see how u cant like the guy. he's comedy! he's a player's coach. he'll probably take bong hits after the game with melo, ai, and jr. then head to da club afterwards. van gundy gets my vote!
im flip if that matters!
im flip if that matters!
by Anonymous on Feb 29, 2008 12:04 PM MST reply actions
In my opinion, Sam Cassell should get the nod over Eric Snow if we're going to go in that direction with a coach. Gollum will demand more respect than Eric Snow for three essential reasons:
1) Cassell's got 2 rings as a player. Eric Snow does not.
2) Cassell has huge cajones. He wouldn't be afraid to bench AC and put in JR.
3) Cassell can hit a jump shot. Players aren't going to respect a coach that can't shoot the rock. Eric Blow has a MED rating of 69 and a 3PT rating of 66 in 2k8.
4) Cassell's offensive and defensive awareness ratings are way better than Snow's. That's an important element in the transition from player to coach.
Go Nugs!
1) Cassell's got 2 rings as a player. Eric Snow does not.
2) Cassell has huge cajones. He wouldn't be afraid to bench AC and put in JR.
3) Cassell can hit a jump shot. Players aren't going to respect a coach that can't shoot the rock. Eric Blow has a MED rating of 69 and a 3PT rating of 66 in 2k8.
4) Cassell's offensive and defensive awareness ratings are way better than Snow's. That's an important element in the transition from player to coach.
Go Nugs!
by Tony on Feb 29, 2008 5:34 PM MST reply actions
Jeff Van Gundy should come i because the NUggets have been so devoid of the fundamentals and Van Gundy is a great X's and O's coach. On NYT.com he goes into deep detail on how to play defense on some of the best teams in the league. The Nuggets have not been able to stop even the worst teams in the league and Van Gundy would add some discipline because he dealt with Latrell Spreewell all those years in New York and he is familiar with Camby. He is the logical choice
by Ty on Mar 2, 2008 11:45 AM MST reply actions
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/02/28/sports/playmagazine/20080229_GUNDY_GRAPHIC.html
by Ty on Mar 2, 2008 11:45 AM MST reply actions
Count my vote for Larry Brown. Terrific coach who took the 76ers to the finals (with the only notable players being AI and Dikembe), when no-one thought they'd get there, and no-one thought they'd even win a game when they got there.
by Anonymous on Mar 15, 2008 2:07 PM MDT reply actions
My friends and I want to start www.hirescotthastings.com
That guy spits the hot fire of truth. I couldn't help but laugh when the Nuggs were playing the Jazz (I think) and Hastings said, "Somebody cut to the basket, please!" and right then AC did and got an easy hoop. I also love the way Hastings talked about what it would take for Denver's zone to be successful ("the bigs gotta move").
That guy spits the hot fire of truth. I couldn't help but laugh when the Nuggs were playing the Jazz (I think) and Hastings said, "Somebody cut to the basket, please!" and right then AC did and got an easy hoop. I also love the way Hastings talked about what it would take for Denver's zone to be successful ("the bigs gotta move").
by 14erclimb on Apr 17, 2008 1:50 PM MDT reply actions
I understand all of your anger because your team looks like they will not go on to the next round, but I think you're a bit off.
George Karl has been a very good coach for a number of teams, including this current one.
The problem is that the Nuggets have two great players, one good player and a bunch of ok players. The West is stacked. You have to have great talent to move ahead. The Lakers have Gasol, Odum and Bryant, plus a very strong bench incuding vets like Fisher.
Bad luck for you guys to have to play a great team like the Lakers in the first round, but you would have lost to any other team anyways.
Get Larry Brown. Who cares. You might get to the second round if Golden State plays you first.
Lakers Celtics finals.
Lakers win in the Garden on a Kobe baby hook in the final seconds.
Thank you,
George Karl
George Karl has been a very good coach for a number of teams, including this current one.
The problem is that the Nuggets have two great players, one good player and a bunch of ok players. The West is stacked. You have to have great talent to move ahead. The Lakers have Gasol, Odum and Bryant, plus a very strong bench incuding vets like Fisher.
Bad luck for you guys to have to play a great team like the Lakers in the first round, but you would have lost to any other team anyways.
Get Larry Brown. Who cares. You might get to the second round if Golden State plays you first.
Lakers Celtics finals.
Lakers win in the Garden on a Kobe baby hook in the final seconds.
Thank you,
George Karl
by Anonymous on Apr 21, 2008 3:33 PM MDT reply actions
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